I’ve occasionally talked about what would happen if Tea Party folks countered ACORN thugs. Well, it happened, and it ended in epic win for the good guys. Here’s a video:
The useful idiots had no idea what to do! Here’s a quote from Gathering of Eagles: NY.
Patriots from the Conservative Society for Action, Gathering of Eagles, Active and the 912 Group rallied in front of the offices of Senator Charles Schumer to counter the staged pro-nationalized healthcare rally planned by MoveOn.org and ACORN.
The first moonbats arrived and almost immediately called the police because they hate free speech and any opposition to their agenda. One of their old biddies called me a racist for opposing health care for illegal immigrants. Unfortunately for them the first amendment is still enforced in this country and the police would not interfere with our counter protest.
Things went downhill for the Soros stooges from there. As more and more patriots arrived we outnumbered the moonbats by at least ten to one. The video cameras and interviews were all from our folks. The stooges were pwned!
This isn’t the only place that this is happening. Look here, and here! Please visit these sites. There are far more videos and pictures of the win!
So far, so good. Keep it up folks!
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It is very discouraging to me to see protesters who blindly support the right criticizing protesters who blindly support the left. Both are ignorant and foolish. People will excuse offenses committed by their side of the political spectrum while condemning the other for the same actions.
There is no difference between the mainstream Republican and Democratic parties in this country. “Activists” on both sides are merely performing the equivalent of cheering on rival sports teams that shake hands behind the scenes and work together to limit freedom.
Where were the Tea Party folks when President Bush was mortgaging the future of our children off with massive out of control debt? They were calling the Liberal protesters anti-american.
The whole “Tea Party” movement is as big of a joke as the Liberal activists that protested during the Bush Administration. They’re only protesting because it is the “other side” committing the offense instead of their own.
We’d all be better off if we weren’t so weak of mind.
Simply superb. The numbers need to grow and grow, and I believe they are.
I agree. The first few times, the Patriots will surprise them. Then Move-on/ACORN crowd will get into their playbook and come up with some dirty tricks. That will have to be considered, and planned for accordingly.
In the end, cutting off the goons and rent-a-mob will be a major blow to the messiah. I’ve always seen him making more and more use of them, especially once resistance to his policies becomes more effective.
@ Daniel, I think you’re missing some information. Your assessment of right wing protesters misses the mark. Mindless is not a term that I would apply to myself, nor to many of the readers here, who have attended such protests. The people attending these protest are people that have never before picked up a sign and gone to a protest. If you had attended one, you would have likely found a mix of political parties, races, and ages, as I did. You would have found intelligent speakers, and a peaceful, friendly atmosphere. I would add that at the gathering I attended, there were many speakers, but none of them were politicians.
Where were we during Bush? At home. Bush wasn’t proposing a thinly disguised Single Payor plan, or taking over industries, or trying to pass a huge hidden tax (Cap and Trade). Had he been doing that, yes we would have been out there.
As for the deficit comparison, the differences in scale are enormous. Here are some quotes…
Then:
“Until President George W. Bush’s last year in office, the deficit had been shrinking, hitting a five-year low of $161.5 billion in 2007. But that was followed by the record deficit of $454.8 billion in 2008, the budget year that ended on Sept. 30 of last year, before the election.”
http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_12829380
Now:
“The government has presented new figures for the federal budget deficit, which suggest it has increased in June by another $94.3 billion to reach $1.09 trillion so far this fiscal year.”
http://www..personalliberty.com/news/its-official-federal-deficit-exceeds-one-trillion-19265488/
“WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama’s budget would produce $9.3 trillion in deficits over the next decade, an eye-popping figure that threatens his ambitious goals to overhaul health care and explore new energy sources, congressional auditors said.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29791927/
Big difference, isn’t it?
At the National level, or at least in the confines of DC, the parties are far too close in ideology, or at least in actions. At the rank and file level, however, the Republicans are far more conservative.
I think it is a mistake to underestimate the tea party movement. It is easy to take the MSM’s position that they are a bunch of ignorant rednecks, but then again, they actually gave no real coverage of the events, or what they were about. There are “followers” in any movement, but I would submit that the majority are well read, angry, and ready to vote. I would recommend that you investigate this further before making statements about them.
Well, Daniel…that’s a load of crap, but thanks for sharing.
@Matt…well played, answering with the facts. I’da just snarked him, but I’m a lot more evil than you.
I usually try to do that first. I think we own the libs whe it comes to facts. If all else fails, I snark ‘em! I actually hope this Daniel will come back and respond.
I can’t disagree with your evil assessment.
Slightly off topic–pushback from the bad guys:
http://revolutionradio.org/2009/07/15/pentagon-orders-soldier-fired-for-challenging-prez/
@Daniel: I would like to first acknowledge that additional responses to your post are not necessary, as Matt, quite eloquently and succinctly, already did so. But I cannot let go of your iniquitous suppositions that attendees of Tea Parties were disengaged from exercising their vocality during Bush’s administration because of party allegiance. By what standard of proof can you cite to quantify your assertions? To explicate that a segment of the population extricated themselves on behalf of political alignment would have been more lucid and veracious. Thus, your attempt at making a perspicuous argument has failed.
“Where were the Tea Party folks when President Bush was mortgaging the future of our children off with massive out of control debt?”
I shall call you on your nescience because you fail to observe the synonymity between your statement and our current economic state. Furthermore your effrontery is affirmed openly by making the following declarative sentence;
“We’d all be better off if we weren’t so weak of mind.”
Perhaps some cerebral debilitation has precluded you from perceiving something of intellectual interest. My activism is not faddish, it is not a manifestation of some obtuse derivative, nor is it evidence of a malformed allegiance. You would do well to procure more information and knowledge and rely less upon conjecture.
“Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” Martin Luther King Jr.
Reading blogs such as this one will help you remove mental barriers.
Oh you kids and your big words!
Good day to you Sir, I SAID GOOD DAY!!
And still with the sir. I would remind you that Dr. Dave IS older than both of us!
I stand corrected, my apologies. Now that I think about it, he’s a little too snarky for his age, don’t you think????
I think you’re on to something! Is it snark, or senility? Is he the highly creative “master of snark,” or is he just a curmudgeon?
See? When the right make a demonstration it is peaceable and orderly. Too bad the left can’t say the same.
As to Dr. Dave’s senility – Well let me remind you all that when you are poor and crazy, you are CRAZY and when you are rich and crazy you are ECCENTRIC.
@ Don, I think that we have facts and reality on our side. We can have a peaceful demonstration. We don’t have to threaten, intimidate, or try to ruin people to make our point. We try to convey our message, not enforce compliance, like the left does. Ironically (OR NOT!), we have been deemed DANGEROUS TERRORISTS by the gubbermint. The violent rent-a-mob from the left is OK!
As for Dr. Dave, I don’t know his income level, so I can only guess about his status on the crazy-eccentric spectrum.
Thank you Matt for your reply and I apologize that it has taken me so long to make my way back here. I found this website through BlogUp! a little while ago and had been lurking for a few days before I made my first post.
I have attended two Tea Party events here in Saint Augustine Florida at the urging of a few friends which have shaped my perceptions of the movement. Granted, two events in one city isn’t a complete representation of the movement as a whole, but it is all that I have been exposed to. It was hardly what I would describe as friendly. I kept my mouth shut and simply observed but the whole event was basically just a collective (excuse my crude phrasing) circle jerk of hatred for Barack Obama. Everything else was secondary to that and it was completely uncomfortable. I had someone tell me that he thinks someone should assassinate Obama and the “disagreement” from another person was that we should wait until he was out of office so he isn’t made into a “martyr cause his people like that.”
I think it says a lot about a movement by the type of people it attracts. Your movement attracts and contains the people that think Barack Obama isn’t a citizen of the United States, think he is a Muslim, exclusively get news from FOX Network and haven’t figured out how to use snopes.com, think he is the Antichrist, think he has a secret Chicago police force that roughs people up and the people who blame minorities for all the worlds problems. Sometimes fitting more than one of those categories.
I am assuming you are referring to the Cable Network News or “Corporate News” when you say MSM ignored the tea party events and I am pretty baffled by that. The largest Corporate News station, FOX, has daily coverage of the Tea Party movement and has even tried to take credit for it as their idea to tap into the hype. I don’t know what coverage CNN or MSNBC has and frankly don’t really care either because they’re all terrible.
I can’t imagine that you, as an obvious intellectual, feel good being in the same tent as those people.
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Remember that President Bush pushed for and passed Medicare Plan B, a huge expansion to Medicare which is a single payer system. He was also responsible for the TARP which socialized our banking system and the 454.8 billion 2008 deficit you quoted.
President Obama’s budget deficit that you quoted includes the official calculation of the costs of the Iraq War for the first time since the war began. Every single year President Bush’s administration declared the funding for the war as “emergency appropriation” to keep it out of the official budget calculations.
I wish I could to that fantasy math on my household budget to show a shrinking deficit if I had one. Just wipe the largest expense right off. Since I use Mint.com I could just take my mortgage, set it to the category “Do not include in Mint” and amaze myself with all this money I have for other things. Seriously excellent!
So yes, how am I supposed to believe that this isn’t just partisan cheerleading in the face of everything? I always considered myself socially liberal and fiscally conservative, but when the parties on a National level consist of “Tax and Spend” Liberals and “Borrow and Spend” whatever the Republicans are… I hardly consider them Conservatives, who am I supposed to vote for?
I don’t see any difference between the protesters in the left nor in the right. Both groups have intellectuals spotted throughout a sea of mindless drones parroting whatever they’re told to say and BOTH sides resort to yellow journalism to use caricatures of the other side to diminish and turn this whole thing into a fight of good vs evil.
I wouldn’t be reading your blog if I didn’t find your thoughts interesting but I don’t see this as a black and white
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I just wanted to add that I have several friends and family members that are part of the Tea Party movement and they’re most certainly on the intellectual side; however, they are RIDICULOUSLY outnumbered.
@ Daniel, I have to be honest. Yours is the first such description of a Tea Party that I have heard, which leads me to believe that you either experienced an aberration, or are being disingenuous. Each of the examples that you listed seem to be stereotypes listed by the MSM or other critics that seek to discredit the movement. If a man told you that someone should assassinate the POTUS, why didn’t you report that? To be honest, I would have. We can achieve our goals ideologically, we don’t need to commit immoral and illegal acts to advance our agenda.
Interestingly enough, at the Tea Party I attended, there were Republicans (obviously the majority), Democrats (who were warmly welcomed), Independents, and even a few Green Party members. The Tea Parties are NOT a creation of Fox News or some “evil Republican capitalist pig website.” There were Tea Parties happening, with attendance over 10,000, well before Fox and the others began promoting them. Nor are they a Republican-only, top-down coordinated program. The left claims that because that is what they do. Their own operations color their perceptions.
As for the birth certificate issue, the POTUS could put that issue to rest with one simple act; reveal his actual birth certificate! I did a post on that issue yesterday. I believe it might be a hoax myself-one committed by the left.
Also, you left out Cap and Trade, as well as industry takeovers. Yes, Bush created TARP, but he didn’t take over GM and Chrysler, fire CEOs, threaten their creditors, hand a majority share to the labor unions, and so on. If you do return, I’d request that you address those as well.
Next, you try to again make comparisons that are wildly our of scope. Medicare is NOT single payor as it is privatized. I’ve seen quite a few private medicare cards out there, so nice try. That was a mistake, as involving the government in any venture tends to turn said venture in to a steaming pile of fail and waste. Also, while that plan was foolish and will end up hurting the budget (and probably seniors) in the end, the “Obamacare” plan, will hurt us all. I’ve already posted information here that demonstrates that it is a single payor plan, that rationing will be involved, and it will eliminate choice and decrease quality of life for ALL Americans. It will also cost TRILLIONS- which is again, a false comparison.
Also, you decry Bush’s not including the war in the budget. Yet another reason the Republicans lost in 06 and 08, and deservedly so. You would not beleive how many people stayed home in those election years because they were angry with the Republicans for growing the government and spending too much. Well, the current POTUS is not including the Obamacare plan in the budget, is he? Again, it’s a matter of scope and scale.
As I have said before, there are followers and “whackos” in any movement. They are not in the majority here, and your suggestion that they are is an insult to the hundreds of thousands of people that have participated. Most of them, as I have seen and heard, have been honest people that are upset with the fast track to socialism being undertaken by the current administration.
As for Fox News, it is one of my sources for information. What I find, however, is that at least their hosts are honest enough to admit that they are Conservative (Hannity) or Libertarian (Beck). I remember a few weeks ago watching O’Reilly interview the editor of Newsweek and laughing as the guy tried to claim that Newsweek wasn’t biased! I’ll take honest bias over fake objectivity any day of the week.
The internet is down at work so I am typing this up from my phone. Please excuse any weird punctuation or spelling corrections. Thank you again for your reply Matt. I wish that my experiences were more in line with what you advocate and describe because if the local movement here was more reflective perhaps I would have been more open to the ideas instead of blocking it all out due to how uncomfortable it was to experience.
Reading your blog has influenced my opinion on a few things (Honduras being one) and has caused me to question my beliefs concerning the Tea Party movement and I appreciate that at the very least.
I didn’t report the person because I work with them and while the ideas were extremely offensive, I don’t think he is actually going to go up to Washington hundreds of miles away to do anything. Twisted fantasy perhaps but overall h isn’t a very violent person. I also don’t think that simply wishing or thinking something should be a crime.
I went to an antiwar protest to observe back in the Bush years because I was curious and there were people making violent fantasies known public there as well so it is certainly not exclusive to the right. I supported Bush because of the principals he campaigned on (and sadly didn’t follow through with…) and after Ron Paul was pushed out I wasn’t sure how I was going to vote until Sarah Palin ruined it for me. Just so you have a little background on me so you don’t think I am just some troll from the left.
Concerning Medicare I was trying to explain how both parties have been pushing us closer and closer to socialism and hiding behind their own flavors of smoke. The majority of the people have been convinced that they want socialism. What happens next after Plan B? There was talk of it including children next. During the election BOTH sides talked about expanding the age range. Baby steps by both sides towards the same goal.
I don’t think there is a difference between the national parties and without third party candidates we are doomed to have the whole political game remain just a game. Republicans and Democrats pretend to disagree to put on a show for us plebes back home while working together for the same goal in private: saying and doing whatever they need to just to get reelected.
Unless we overhaul health care dramatically we are in for a world of hurt. The deficit graph you posted before consists almost exclusively of the rising costs of health care (Medicare) before the Obama plan is even included. If we do nothing were screwed. Will the Obama plan improve the situation? Who knows- experts on both sides use the same data to reach wildly different results and I’m not so quick to discount an entire side just based on ideology.
Especially when there shouldn’t be sides. We’re all Americans and pushing for one wolf to take the job of watching the sheep from another wolf just because of the color of his team ruins everything to me.
I forgot to mention the CEO that was ‘fired’. He was given the choice to resign so the company would receive bailout money. He could have chosen to stay on and refuse the bailout money but he didn’t. What did he care he already made his money and didn’t give a shit what happened after he left. I think the bailout of the car companies was just as bad as the bailout of the banks. Both parties are at fault for helping their rich fronds get richer off the backs of you and I.