Okay, I thought we were discussing the viability and possible success of a third political party. But as a staunch Reaganite, I cannot let scratcher’s comments to unheeded. So quickly, let me address those comments about big government, Reagan and his ‘silence’ on AIDS.

To be honest, some Republican Presidents have increased government spending as well. Let’s look at just what Ronald Reagan did. He did increase government, but he did it in a slightly different way. Reagan dramatically cut the role of the Federal Government in domestic programs and shifted the focus to increasing the military. Of course, this is well known today to be one of the leading reasons for the collapse of the Soviet Union.  So this begs the question, did Reagan increase or decrease the role of government in our lives? On the domestic front, he dramatically decreased it, so the argument can be made that he was a small-government conservative. If one takes into the account the expanded size of the Federal Government due to the military build-up during the Reagan years then the answer seems less clear unless you remember one key factor, our Constitution. It specifically calls for the Federal Government to provide for the common defense; it does not call for entitlements, or other socialistic programs. So in retrospect, Reagan was definitely a true conservative. It is very unfortunate that we do not have a true conservative in the White House at this time.

Now scratcher alluded to Reagan’s ‘silence’ on the AIDS epidemic. In it he links to Democracy Now!, a far left group. Little wonder that they would have something bad to say about Ronald Reagan. In his reply, scratcher said:

“This is the same Ronald Reagan who sat silent for SIX YEARS as the AIDS epidemic began and spread like wildfire. Why? Because like many so-called conservatives, homosexuality offended his sensibilities. In a statement about AIDS education, Reagan said:

“Let’s be honest with ourselves: AIDS information cannot be what some call ‘value neutral,’ ” said the President, who rarely has spoken about the disease in public. “After all, when it comes to preventing AIDS, don’t medicine and morality teach the same lessons?”

So we have from President Reagan a sterling example of a conservative who allows his own moral beliefs to affect policy – at the cost of many, many thousands (now millions) of lives.”

Wow, those are pretty harsh words. But are they accurate? Did Reagan sit “silent for SIX YEARS?” Of course not; one of the men who knew Reagan best, Edwin Meese III says that to say Reagan was silent on AIDS is completely unfair:

“I can remember numerous sessions of the domestic-policy council where the surgeon general provided information to us, and the questions were not whether the federal government would get involved, but what would be the best way. There was support for research through the NIH. There also were questions about the extent to which public warnings should be sent out. It was a question of how the public would respond to fairly explicit warnings about fairly explicit things. Ultimately, warnings were sent out.”

And Peter Robinson, a former speechwriter for Reagan and author of the book, How Reagan Changed My Life says:

“As I recall, from 1984 onward — and bear in mind that the AIDS virus was not identified until 1982 — every Reagan budget contained a large sum of money specifically earmarked for AIDS. But, of course, that’s the kind of argument that takes place over every item in the federal budget. Nevertheless, the notion that he was somehow callous or had a cruel or cynical attitude towards homosexuals or AIDS victims is just ridiculous.”

Also, official White House papers cited by Steven Hayward, author of the multi-volume Age of Reagan show that Ronald Reagan spoke of AIDS no later than September 17, 1985. Responding to a question on AIDS research, the president said:

“[I]ncluding what we have in the budget for ’86, it will amount to over a half a billion dollars that we have provided for research on AIDS in addition to what I’m sure other medical groups are doing. And we have $100 million in the budget this year; it’ll be 126 million next year. So, this is a top priority with us. Yes, there’s no question about the seriousness of this and the need to find an answer.”

But was Reagan “a conservative who allows his own moral beliefs to affect policy – at the cost of many…lives”? Hardly, and who could answer this question better than one of Reagan’s own children? Patti Davis said on Time Magazine’s website as to whether a TV movie which portrayed Reagan as a homophobe was accurate or not. She said she recalls “the clear, smooth, non-judgmental way” in which her dad discussed the topic of homosexuality with her when she was age eight or nine.

“My father and I were watching an old Rock Hudson and Doris Day movie. At the moment when Hudson and Doris Day kissed, I said to my father, “That looks weird.”… All I knew was that something about this particular man and woman was, to me, strange. My father gently explained that Mr. Hudson didn’t really have a lot of experience kissing women; in fact, he would much prefer to be kissing a man. This was said in the same tone that would be used if he had been telling me about people with different colored eyes, and I accepted without question that this whole kissing thing wasn’t reserved just for men and women.”

And also responding to that made for TV movie about Reagan and his being a homophobe is this from Martin Anderson, a high-level Reagan adviser and coeditor of Reagan: A Life in Letters:

“I remember Reagan telling us that in Hollywood he knew a lot of gays, and he never had any problem with them. I think a number of people who were gay worked for the Reagans,” Anderson told me. “We never kept track. But he never said anything even remotely like that comment in the movie. His basic attitude was ‘Leave them alone.’”

So it is pretty clear to me that Reagan wasn’t a homophobe, or even an indifferent conservative who ignored the AIDS problem. He budgeted for it every year of his Presidency after 1984. Reagan was a product of Hollywood and therefore knew a great many gay people, so it wasn’t as if the idea of homosexuality was anything new to him. Many of the misconceptions about Reagan’s ‘silence’ on AIDS comes from a CBS movie that was so inaccurate and controversial that CBS was forced to air it on their pay cable station, Showtime. Also it is clear that Reagan was a small government President, with the only part of the government he expanded being the military. To call him as guilty of social engineering as the worst progressive is laughable and highly inaccurate.

But what does all this have to do with our debate on whether a third party is a good idea for the Conservative cause right now? Well, nothing really. I just had to set the record straight on Reagan.

To be fair, scratcher did mention third parties -  in a fashion:

“If “true” conservatism is for smaller government and less federal intervention across the board, th[e]n not even Reagan was a “true” conservative. And if we can find some true conservatives, I’ll vote for them regardless of their party affiliation – or lack thereof.”

But if Reagan doesn’t pass a litmus test for scratcher, it makes me wonder just how far to the right a candidate would have to be for him to vote for them. All I can do is reiterate the need for Conservatives to take back the Republican Party so that we can change the course of our country back towards what our Founding Fathers intended.

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MattI believe that future generations should have the same opportunities that myself, and those that came before me, had. My parents taught me that I could do anything I wanted to do. I don’t want to have to tell my daughter, “You can do whatever the government tells you to do.” We are at a crossroads in this country; are we going to be free, or are we going to be slaves to the nanny state. I choose freedom.
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  • Matt
    Matt March 16, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Don, you are a one-man wrecking crew! Well done sir. Wasn’t Reagan once the President of the Screen Actors Guild? I seem to think that he was, and if that was the case, he was certainly in the position to know who was gay or not. Either that,or just working in Hollywood would given him much of that info.

    I think you touch, if not obliquely, on another point. Conservatives, as a whole, do not “hate,” or especially “fear” homosexuals. We do not agree with their lifestyle, and vehemently resist the efforts to indoctrinate our children via Kevin Jennings and GLSEN, but we will not do to them what they are doing to anyone who disagrees with them.

    • Matt
      Don March 17, 2010 at 12:58 am

      Yes Reagan was Prez of the SAG. That is where he got his first taste of Communism with the whole blacklist era and such. Needless to say it left a bad taste in his mouth. Ask the USSR!

  • Harrison March 16, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    People really need to find better things to do than call Reagan names because he didn’t speak about AIDS right away. Nobody really knew what was going on until the mid-80s anyway. I think Reagan was more “live and let live” though I think he made a mistake by bringing people like Pat Robertson into the Republican party.

  • Teresa Rice March 16, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    You gave a great defense of Reagan against the false accusation that he was a homophobe and/or didn’t take any actions to try and tackle the AIDS problem during his presidency.

    I think third parties would be a mistake because it would fracture the conservatives. IMO, this would harm the conservative movement more than helping it. This would give the Democratic Party the upper hand and almost guarantee the reelection of Obama in 2012.

    It seems like Scratcher is looking for the perfect conservative candidate. Because IMHO There is no perfect conservative candidate like there is no perfect person in our society.

  • Scratcher March 16, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    did Reagan increase or decrease the role of government in our lives?

    You didn’t even touch on what was actually my main point about expansion of the federal government… namely the creation of a drug czar and the ONDCP. That was, indeed, an increase on the domestic front, and one that had little or nothing to do with national security.

    Reagan was a product of Hollywood and therefore knew a great many gay people

    I think this is irrelevant. I’m sure he knew many successful people in Hollywood who used drugs, as well.

    Further, it sounds a little like the folks who swear they aren’t racists because they know lots of black people.

    Reagan spoke of AIDS no later than September 17, 1985

    That’s still YEARS before he addressed it publicly.

    scratcher did mention third parties – in a fashion</i?

    While you disagree with me, which I respect, I feel I was sticking to the topic. You quoted Reagan as the type of conservative (I thought) we should be remolding the Republican party after. Or rather, when you quoted him on third parties I assumed (perhaps inaccurately, but now I think not) that he was the role model for the party you had in mind.

    There were, inarguably, a lot of good things about Ronald Reagan. However, I do NOT consider him the type of "conservative" I would wish to see a third party built around, which was the side I was to be taking. Yes, Reagan was for lower taxes and less domestic spending, but – as with many conservatives – I feel he left his smaller government schtick at the door when it came to social issues. Even if you left the issue of AIDS aside, he was behind an enormous growth in our anti-drug policy – which HAS cost lives, Billions of dollars, and taken an enormous bite out of our civil liberties.

  • Scratcher March 16, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    @ Teresa – Would you like to point out in my post where I called Reagan a homophobe? I said it offended his sensibilities… based on his own quote:

    “when it comes to preventing AIDS, don’t medicine and morality teach the same lessons?”

    Which I took to mean he felt the way people were catching AIDS at the time was immoral.

    As to this: “It seems like Scratcher is looking for the perfect conservative candidate.”, THIS was the debate question:

    –The question is what should the focus of Conservatives be going forward, a revitalized Republican party or a true Conservative party?–

    I answered, based on my understanding of true conservatism. Of course there is no perfect person in our society. But it shouldn’t be too much to ask of imperfect politicians to follow a NEAR-perfect document.

  • Scratcher March 16, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    @ Harrison – People should also find better things to do than make baseless accusations. I didn’t call him names. Read the post.

  • Matt
    Don March 16, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    @scratcher…No need to get defensive. I mentioned Reagan, not because I thought he should be what we need to mold a candidate or conservative party after (though I can think of a lot worse people to emulate), rather I mentioned Reagan because he saw back in 1977 that splitting the conservative vote would grant free reign to the leftists and statists. I thought that it was apparent why I quoted him. I mean I didn’t quote what he believed in and hold that up as what we should aspire to, I quoted him on the specific question – “Do we need a third party?”

    As far as the AIDS question, he mentioned it to a reporter in 1985, but remember, the AIDS virus itself wasn’t even identified until 1982 and from 1984 on, he budgeted for it in the Federal Budget as a line item. Should he have come forth to talk to the American people sooner? Maybe, but remember also that he was recovering an economy that was wrecked by Jimmy Carter, not to mention bringing down the Soviet Union without firing a shot.

    I mention that Reagan was a product of Hollywood because that pertains to the comment made by his daughter about the time when she was a little girl and asked him about the gay actor, Rock Hudson. This was years before Rock’s sexual preferences were publicly known and Reagan conveyed a calm reaction to it when he discussed it with his daughter, Patti Davis.

    My position was, and still is that to say Reagan was silent on AIDS because he hated or despised or even just disagreed with homosexuality is very unfair. I am 46 years old and remember vividly the ’80s. AIDS was something that was little understood and quite a mystery to most Americans. It is easy to look back with the 20/20 vision of hindsight and see that AIDS would grow into a full blown worldwide epidemic, but at the time people knew very little about it.

    @everyone else…As far as the homophobe comment, I mentioned that because the made for TV movie that CBS produced alleged Reagan was a homophobe. I want to make it clear that scratcher did NOT call Reagan a homophobe.

  • Scratcher March 16, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    I mentioned Reagan, not because I thought he should be what we need to mold a candidate or conservative party after…

    Then I misunderstood your reference to him. I apologize for that bit.

    I’m still not sold that’s he’s a pure conservative, by the definition I was using.

    As to fairness of whether he was silent on AIDS based on his personal feelings, I judged based on his later statements, and came to an opinion. We’ll have to agree to disagree.

    Thank you for clarifying that I didn’t say “homophobe”. FWIW, I don’t believe that everyone who is uncomfortable with gays is homophobic, and try not to throw that label around heedlessly.

    • Matt
      Don March 17, 2010 at 1:00 am

      That’s it!! You are a label-a-phobe!! Just kiddin’. I accept your apology, I should have been more clear as to why I referenced Reagan. And for agreeing to disagree, that’s cool. We both stated our sides and without any bomb throwing like the lefties do.

   
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