If you remember, we were discussing rationing throughout the ObamaCare debates. Of course, we were called “fear mongers,” among other things. Now that the law has been passed, and the other predictions we made are coming to pass, the entire rationing issue continues to brew under the surface. However, every now and again, it rears its ugly head. It started in the very early days of the Obama Administration…
We must always remember that what the messiah and his minions cannot accomplish outright, they will accomplish incrementally. For more, look at this.
In testimony yesterday before the Senate Committee on Finance, Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Elmendorf presented options for controlling health care costs. He warned that “reducing or slowing spending over the long term would probably require decreasing the pace of adopting new treatments and procedures and limiting the breadth of their application.” That’s rationing by another name, not a comfortable concept to Americans.
In discussing the “death panels,” we have to take yet another look at Ezekiel Emanuel. Besides being the brother of Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm, Dr. Emanuel is a prominent if medical ethicist that has, shall we say, some rather interesting ideas about medical treatment. Here are some quotes from Dr. Emanuel:
This civic republican or deliberative democratic conception of the good provides both procedural and substantive insights for developing a just allocation of health care resources. Procedurally, it suggests the need for public forums to deliberate about which health services should be considered basic and should be socially guaranteed. Substantively, it suggests services that promote the continuation of the polity-those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberations-are to be socially guaranteed as basic. Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.
So, the government will have the authority to deny treatment for those individuals that they deem unfit for living. What criteria would be use? Do you get to appeal? Do you have any choice? Under a government controlled plan, I would venture to guess no.
Source: First Things
“Strict youngest-first allocation directs scarce resources predominantly to infants. This approach seems incorrect. The death of a 20-year-old woman is intuitively worse than that of a 2-month-old girl, even though the baby has had less life. The 20-year-old has a much more developed personality than the infant, and has drawn upon the investment of others to begin as-yet-unfulfilled projects…. Adolescents have received substantial substantial education and parental care, investments that will be wasted without a complete life. Infants, by contrast, have not yet received these investments…. It is terrible when an infant dies, but worse, most people think, when a three-year-old child dies, and worse still when an adolescent does.”
Note that the decision has been made based on the amount on money the government has spent “developing” a human. He is essentially reducing the value of human life to the amount of resources that society has expended upon the said human. Now, the left can decry the 2% profit margin of the insurance companies; yet engage in far more sinister statistical calculations for who gets care and who gets to die?
“Ultimately, the complete lives system does not create ‘classes of Untermenschen whose lives and well being are deemed not worth spending money on,’ but rather empowers us to decide fairly whom to save when genuine scarcity makes saving everyone impossible.”
This is phenomenal wordsmithing. He denies in the first part of the sentence, and endorses in the second. Sir, just saying that the grass isn’t green does not make it orange!
“When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated”
So, we have the IPAB, which stands for Independent Payment Advisory Board. From what Orszag is saying; that it will cut costs by not being “based on quantity,” I think we can safely assume that this is a rationing body.
Now, if this is a rationing body, and they are going to cut costs by not treating things, might this also be the “death panel?” Both Sunstein and Emanuel (EZKILL, not Rahm), have both tagged end of life care as something to be limited. IPAB would seem to be a great way to accomplish just that. No, you won’t have to stand before them and justify your life, but they might just arbitrarily decide to not pay for something that keeps you alive. Considering that this already happens in the UK with cancer drugs, and 20,000 Brits with cancer are killed by the NHS each year, are we seeing a pattern here?
But that wasn’t the end of it. Not content with simply having Emanuel and his ideas, he did a recess appointment for Donald Berwick, who now is in charge of Medicare and Medicaid. Here’s but one quote from him.
The Redstate article also shows that Berwick publicly embraces rationing.
The interviewer pointed out: “Critics of CER have said that it will lead to the rationing of health care.” To which Berwick replied: “The decision is not whether or not we will ration care. The decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open.”
So, can we safely assume that there is a pattern here? While the “progressives” in power say that rationing is not part of their plans, they certainly seem to like appointing people that do.
And now, for the latest, Paul Krugman appeared on This Week with the Latest Host, this past Sunday, and had the following exchange.
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Pay particular attention at 4:35, where Krugman mentions “death panel people,” and that the host then mentions IPAB-all in reference to controlling costs.
Seriously folks, how many times does this have to come up before our “progressive” friends drop all pretenses? Just admit it! It’s about rationing. It always has. It’s not like they’re speaking in some unbreakable code.
H/T: NewsMax
Update: NewsBusters has Krugman’s feeble efforts to back away from his statements…
(a) health care costs will have to be controlled, which will surely require having Medicare and Medicaid decide what they’re willing to pay for — not really death panels, of course, but consideration of medical effectiveness and, at some point, how much we’re willing to spend for extreme care
Er…so…they’ll have death panels, but just call it something else? Noel Sheppard is right. Krugman dug himself a bigger hole with his response.
Come to think of it, if I were wrong as often as Krugman, my employer would have discarded me long ago…and rightfully so. Apparently, disingenuousness and incompetence are big resume items over at the Times.
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Whether it’s official policy or not, rationing will happen under socialized medicine. There is simply no way around it.
Having said that, when you hear the proponents of socialized health say things like -
“When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated”
You’d have to be pretty stupid or a lying sack of crap to say there won’t be death panels.
It makes me laugh my a** off to see them try to squirm around this one. They are going to kill off people, and they’ll come up with some euphemism for it.
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Sarah Palin was ridiculed for her use of the words “death panels” but the truth is that there will be rationing, the left can call it whatever they want to but there is no denying that some people will be turned away from receiving the they need. If that is not a death panel, I don’t know what is.
I have to be honest in saying that I’ve hated that term ever since it was coined. The end of life counseling thing was never the issue-it was the rationing built into the legislation. That is the “death panel,” if you will.
What bothers me about this entire situation is that the rights of the individuals seem to go right out the window when these progressives start having these discussions. That’s just plain wrong, in my opinion. My Mom is facing a choice of having to have her heart shocked or not, trying to get it back into the proper rhythm. She is 79 years old and her quality of life is not nearly as good as it could be after this treatment, if it works. The whole family has been in on this decision, looking at the pros and cons and after listening to everyone, her and Dad have decided that she will have the procedure. I wonder if she could have had it, had the health care law been fully implemented? It makes one wonder, at the very least.
Statism, liberalism, communism, fascism, you name it all dehumanize people. You are no longer a individual with rights-you are a statistic to be manged. And when the formula says that it’s time to stop spending, it’s the end for you!
Sorry to say it Larry, but the POTUS said it himself…”maybe they get a pain pill instead of expensive surgery.”
Here is the link that Rahm’s brother wrote in Lancet that describes in detail how it works
http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/PIIS0140673609601379.pdf
I had read that when I was researching the original article last year. It makes the hairs stand up on the back your head, that’s for sure. Scary stuff.
It’s time for us to tell the government they can go ration their head up their asses.
Just saying……..
They aren’t there already?
They can play word games all they want. Whenever there is government insured health care, someone has to play God. They will argue that the people who are denied treatment under the program wouldn’t have gotten the treatment without the program either, They’ll argue that with the program they do get treatment for some things that they might not have gotten if they weren’t covered by the program. It’s a bitch; but there is some merit to their argument. Maybe it will be better for us to stick to arguing about the lower average quality of care that all people will receive not to mention the cost to all of us. Just a thought.
Sure it can be discussed. But starting with cutting people off and condemning them to death isn’t really a good starting point. I’ll be reposting some stuff this week that has everything to do with cutting costs, and making care less expensive, and it doesn’t involve in stealth euthanasia to do!
In the end, this is yet another example of when you give the government the ability to give you something, you give them power over you.
That Krugman can be so thoroughly wrong and so thoroughly full of crap and yet be employed… Seems like Guiness should have a World Record category just for this guy.
I mentioned in the update that if I were as incompetent, I would be canned in a heartbeat.
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I gotta tell ya Matt, I’m just tired of all these talking heads debating over what they believe is best for us. I’m just tired of it. When we a point in the conversation when we’re actually talking about rationing care and deciding who live and who does not, I think that’s when it’s time to pull the plug and give them the bird.
Give them the bird and show them the door!
As Limbaugh said today, liberals lie so often they can’t keep their stories straight. Do you think he knows he just validated Sarah Palin? Note that Orzag got out as quickly as he could.
I heard Limbaugh talk about that. He was spot on with the entire thing.
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