Illegal Immigrants and Controlling Our Borders: Complex Issues?

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Controlling our borders should not be a complex issue for anybody. Every country has a right to control who,  how many and for how long foreigners can enter their country. Each country also has the right to limit what foreigners can and can not do while in the country. Customarily this control is accomplished by the issuance of visas; be they tourist visas, student visas, work visas or permanent resident visas, etc. It  is absolutely irresponsible and criminal the way our government performs its duty to control our borders. In a blog at Fleece Me earlier this week, the author noted that America has more people guarding the border of South Korea with North Korea than we have guarding our own borders. That boggles my mind. There simply is no argument of merit for not controlling one’s borders. No nation can long exist if their borders are open to anybody and everybody to enter at will. In my opinion, it is of paramount importance that the United States apply whatever manpower and technology necessary to stop the flow of illegal immigrants crossing our borders on a daily basis.

The issue of what to do about the illegal immigrants already in our country is, to me, a much more complex issue. We have illegals in our country from all over the world. But the greatest numbers are Hispanic and probably the majority of these Hispanics come from Mexico. So for the purposes of this discussion I will focus on the Hispanics.

Before I go on let me establish my credentials as being someone who is not a racist nor anti-Hispanic. I was married for more than 30 years to a Mexican-American women. My children and grandchildren carry Hispanic blood. I have lived in Mexico and I have lived the last 18 years in Venezuela. And, by the way, both countries require(d) me to have appropriate visas to live here/ there.

What to do about the illegal immigrants already in our country is, I think,  a more complex issue. Harry Reid’s DREAM Act, which appears will fail to pass the Senate, was  poorly written in the extreme and I’m delighted that it will not become law. I find interesting the reaction of illegal immigrant activist groups and others to the failure of this bill. According to a recent Washington Post article, illegal immigrants and their support groups are planning to make the DREAM Act a campaign issue come 2012. The article reports that:

Groups like The National Council of La Raza and other Hispanic and immigrant advocacy groups know the prospects for comprehensive immigration reform are dim for the time being. So they’ve turned their attention to a measure that they believe will spark more sympathy from most Americans, bringing with them a coalition of labor groups, the Conference of Catholic Bishops and even Defense Secretary Robert Gates. And come 2012, advocates say, Spanish-language media will be filled with ads slamming lawmakers who voted against the Dream Act.

My admitted first reaction was not kind. I thought; how is it possible that non-citizens are planning to make political attacks on our system, demanding rights that they don’t have. However, after reading the rest of the article I began to realize that what I thought was a black and white issue was in fact more grey.  The WaPo article presents some cases of people who came to the US illegally but worked hard, paid taxes and in some cases studied and became professionals and they feel they have earned the right to stay. And I’m thinking that in these cases maybe they have earned the right to stay. After all, the dismal way we have controlled our borders has been like an open invitation. Now, the article failed ‘to mention that not all who enter our country illegally come with good intentions. How many are involved in drug trafficking? How many are now  gang members terrorizing our cities?

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I’m going to suggest something that will probably bring the wrath of many conservatives down upon me. That’s okay. It’s good to have controversy sometimes.

1.) First, as mentioned above, our government must commit to supply all the manpower and technology necessary to control our borders and cut the flow of illegal immigrants to a minimum. Without this first step, we can forget about the second step.

2.) Second, I’m sure that people smarter than I could come up with a conditional amnesty program, with a fixed time limit, that would be acceptable to most Americans. The conditions that I would suggest are: if the person can demonstrate that they have been in the country for X years, have paid their taxes and have no criminal record or outstanding  warrants  against them and that they are not a known gang member, then they will be given a two-year visa to stay in the country PROVIDED THAT they complete two years of community service ( 10 to 12 hours per week ). If they fail to complete their two years of community service they will be deported to their country of origin. If they complete their two years of service they will receive permanent resident visas.

3.) Third, those that do not apply for amnesty within the time limit would be considered undesirables. When caught they will be returned to their country of origin. If caught a second time, they will do serious jail time and then deported, etc.

It seems to me that there are only two alternatives to resolving the issue of illegal immigrants that are already in the country. We can find a political solution, such as I’ve described, or we can use persecution and force. The latter could result in all kinds of unintended collateral damage.

I know that my suggested plan is far from perfect but I’m hoping it can serve as the starting point to a useful debate. So, if you have some thoughts, let’s hear them.

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  • If our laws treated illegals the way Mexico treated them we wouldn’t have a problem.

    • Jim

      “the way Mexico treated them”? Although I’ve lived in Mexico for a year and traveled there many times, I’m not sure what you mean, Harrison. Could you please expand on that?

      • Their laws are much tougher, and are harsh in terms of penalties.

  • Isn’t it funny how social problems are always presented by the left as being “complex issues”– abortion being another example. It’s not all black and white, we’re told.

    Well, yeah, actually, it IS a black and white issue. No illegals, period.

    • Jim

      Some people do not want to see or are conditioned not to see.

  • Secure our borders, than come and talk to me. I know, what to do with those who are already here. Let’s figure it out when we get there. The rate we are going, we will never get there.

    • Jim

      I belive you do, Bunkerville. But don’t forget, you’re one of the good guys.

  • I like your suggestions for those illegals who already reside in the United States. I actually had similar ideas. I do think the first step in solving the illegal immigration issue and one of the best ways to keep us safe is closing the borders. If their was a bill similar to your model plus a plan for closing the borders in it then I would support that immigration bill. As a Catholic, I believe that the USCCB is misguided on this issue and possibly have too much faith in relation to our government and immigrants. I can understand them wanting to help out the youths but I think they got bad advice on what was actually in the Dream Act.

    • Jim

      You are so right, Teresa. I think there are a whole lot of people who never bothered to find out what the DREAM Act really had in it. Thanks for taking the time to write such a thoughtful comment.

  • Doomed

    I am about as conservative as they come. I have traveled the world extensively including South American and Argentina when it was in crisis in the last 90’s.

    The people are fleeing their countries to come to the USA with the promise of hope.

    The problem for the hope aspect of it is that if you allow the nation itself to fill with people seeking hope, then there is no longer anyone giving the hope that people are seeking.

    This is true in Western Europe now as Muslims have inundated the continent with such vigor that the continent itself and the cultures themselves are in danger of being assimilated by Political correctness.

    In America we are a long way from being assimilated from Hispanics. But then too in the early 80’s Europe was a long way from being assimilated by Muslims. Today in Russia Muslim women are having on average 9 babies per muslim mother while native Russian women are averaging less then 2. It is expected that the Russian Military will be 50 percent Muslim by 2012 and that by 2050 Russia itself will be majority Muslim.

    If America is to remain the beacon of hope for the next 100 years then America must ASSIMILATE HER IMMIGRANTS….

    and NOT…..

    THE IMMIGRANTS ASSIMILATE AMERICA.

    That is and has always been the fear and its very real and when people point it out…the POLITICAL CORRECTNESS FLAG GOES UP…the PC cops show up and your bashed, trash talked and scorned for pointing out the truth.

  • Jim

    Outstanding comment. Thanks, Doomed.What is going on in Europe scares the hell out of me. They will literally lose their culture and we’re talking about in the next decade or two. That is why we must take control of our borders.

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