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#FreeKate Update: Victim Tried to Break Off Relationship, Kaitlyn Hunt ‘Wouldn’t Let Her,’ Described to Have ‘Problem With Lying’

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For the latest post in our series based on the information acquired via a FOIA request filed by Jeanette Runyon, we take a look into the nature of Kaitlyn Hunt’s relationship with her victim.  It seems that the victim tried to break off the relationship, but Kaitlyn wasn’t willing to do that.  I will be quoting two sources; Detective Shepherd’s report, and the text messages exchanged between Kelly Hunt Smith, and her daughter’s victim.  Please note that since the victim is a minor,  I will minimize the input from her part of the conversation to protect her from undo scrutiny, as well as from retaliation from the Hunts, or their supporters.

In essence, from two sources, we find that the victim tried to break off the relationship at some time prior to January 9, 2013, and Kaitlyn Hunt threatened to openly disclose that the victim was a lesbian.  Note that this come over one month before the arrest of Kaitlyn Hunt.  First, here is a screen capture from Detective Shepherd regarding a talk he had with the Captain of the Basketball team…

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As you can see, the victim (indicated by her initials, C.S.) was reported as trying to break off the relationship.

Kiandrea told me that C.S. told her she attempted at one point to break it off with Kaitlyn.  However, Kaitlyn would not let her. Kaitlyn threatened to tell people about her sexual orientation.

Now, here are a serious screencaptures of the January 9, 2013 conversation between Kelley Hunt Smith, and the victim of her daughter…

cs tried to leave

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What do U mean? Uve tried to break it off with her, and she wouldn’t let u? Kelley Hunt Smith

She threatened to put all the stuff we had out.  So. Like I’m not with all that. The victim of Kaitlyn Hunt

In this interaction, Kelley Hunt Smith does provide the victim with more information about her daughter…

kate lies

kate lies 2

Sweetie I hate to tell u this, but Kate has some issues, especially with lying.

Kate knows I have my concerns with it. You are very young. I don’t know if your parents and an family knew about this or approved, which obviously they don’t. 

I think what we are starting to see is that a young and vulnerable teen was taken in by an adult that has, “some issues, especially with lying.”  When the younger teen tried to break off the relationship, the adult threatened to make known that the young girl was a lesbian.

And what else did Kelley Hunt Smith think of the relationship between Kaitlyn and the victim?

cant understand what love is

Ur both young and at your age can’t understand what love is.

Just to add to the argument, let’s review some of the information that was uncovered in the Notification of Violation of Pretrial Release…

“Keep the f*ck quiet.”

“if my mom finds out we’re talking, I’m blaming it on you.”

“F*ck you…You’re stupid…you want me to go to jail…you’re such a messed up person…you snitched on me.

Kaitlyn Hunt, to her victim.

Does this not run completely counter the the assertion of #FreeKate supporters, like Rachael Carson Zerbe, who claimed that this was nothing more than a “loving relationship” between “peers?” Does “love” mean threatening to “out” someone if they leave a relationship?  Does it mean sending verbally abusive texts?  Or, was this an exploitative relationship, based on lies and threats?  I think the evidence, and the reaction Kelley Hunt Smith, would suggest that.

But there is more…

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Not to mention that your both very young to label yourselves sexually.  U may grow up to date guys, get married, and have kids. If u truly feel that you bi or a lesbian those are thoughts and feelings u should share with your parents.

Does this sound like a parent that was ready to go to war over this being “anti-gay bias?”   It seems that she believes that they are not set in their sexuality.

But was the victim a lesbian at all?

I don't like girls

 But, what I’ve tried to teach her is that lying always leads to something bad.  Kelley Hunt Smith

smh & this is.  I’m so sorry  I don’t like girls.  I guess I got wrapped up in Kate & what she would say.  Aha. Wow. yeah.  Victim of Kaitlyn Hunt

Once again, I think that we are seeing a very young girl who fell victim to manipulation at the hands of an adult.  She indicated in the above comment, as well as in another (unpublished one), that she isn’t a lesbian.   However, we see that Kaitlyn hunt was able to manipulate her into at least acting like one.

And, But, what I’ve tried to teach her is that lying always leads to something bad. could be an epitaph for this entire case.

For me, this interaction very strongly suggests that Kaitlyn Hunt was engaged in  a verbally abusive and manipulative relationship with a young teen.  The young teen was confused and easily manipulated by the older, more savvy adult, who in the words of her own mother, had problems with lying.

It also raises the question of what happened to the Kelley Hunt Smith, who in this entire interaction, was rather nurturing to the young victim?  Why did she go from being supportive and kind to this?

James and Laurie Smith wouldn’t give up. They were out to destroy my daughter, they feel like my daughter “made” their daughter gay. They are bigoted, religious [zealots] that see being gay as a sin and wrong, and they blame my daughter. Of course I see it 100% different. I don’t see or label these girls as gay. They are teenagers in high school experimenting with their sexuality, all teens do it in one form or another. They are teens, its healthy and normal. And even if their daughter is gay, who cares, she is still their daughter. (Emphasis added)

And why does Kelley Hunt Smith talk about the victim being “gay” when the victim herself told her that she was not?  Why did Kelley Hunt Smith go from indicating that they were too young to label themselves sexually, to stating that the young victim was gay?

The questions are starting to get a bit numerous, aren’t they?

In a sense, this post does leave us with  a number of unanswered questions.  However, it does show us that the relationship between Kaitlyn Hunt and her victim was abusive and controlling, and when the victim tried to leave, Kaitlyn Hunt threatened to “tell people” about her “sexual orientation.” And, if homosexual behavior is, in the words of Kelley Hunt Smith, “healthy and normal,” why did her daughter threaten her young victim with exposing that very “healthy and normal” behavior?  Why the inconsistency?  Or was it just a case of an adult using power and control to manipulate a young teen into staying in a relationship?  You can be the judge of that.

While we know more, I have a hunch that this is only the tip of the iceberg.  But, unless other legal developments come about, we will likely not know.  What we are left with is a traumatized victim and family, whose only desire was to protect their young daughter from an adult that wouldn’t let go.

For now, this is the last post regarding the information obtained in the FOIA request filed by Jeanette Runyon.   As always, should something newsworthy, such as more harassment, arrests, bullying, “pretend IRL stalking,” new evidence emerges, or legal developments occur, we will revisit the case.   In other words, this story is alive as the Hunts and their supporters make it.

Also, I will make the same offer that the website Support Honesty makes.  If there is any kind of actual documentation that proves anything in these last three posts incorrect, I will happily post it to correct the public record.  However, “documentation” means actual documentation, not, “because I said so.”

As always, we need to thank Jeanette Runyon, who has born the brunt of much abuse at the hands of #FreeKate supporters.  From openly plotting to get her banned from Twitter via false spam reports, to one even pretending to stalk her IRL, Jeanette came through under pressure.  Also, we need to thank Robert Stacy McCain, of The Other McCain, whose extensive Twitter readership, his blog, Viral Read, and an American Spectator post all supported the release of this information.  We also need to acknowledge the Smith family, that dug in and stayed the course for the sake of their daughter.  There are a host of other bloggers and individuals to thank and acknowledge, and I will do that in a future post.

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  • Heather Lynn

    This just keeps getting better and better.

    • MattRoss

      There seems to be no shortage of questions!

    • The Bearded Bastard of Babylon

      My thought exactly!

  • http://bradthebastard.wordpress.com/ Brad Bastard

    Thanks Matt for getting the truth out there. Like I said to you on twitter I personally feel sexual blackmail like Kaitlyn did is rape. Kate may not officially have a “rape conviction” but her actions were clearly that of a rapist in my opinion.

    And I do hope Kelley who comes across as intelligent in these documents and not nearly as unhinged as we’ve come to know her, will do the right thing and end #freekate once and for all and focus on her troubled daughter to successfully complete probation.

    Kate’s lying and manipulations are a real danger to her successfully completing probation and Kate won’t successfully complete probation unless Kelley is in charge of her and watching her every move.

    • MattRoss

      She has acted much like an abuser, and I have been suggesting that for months. This new evidence just drives it home all the more. I really hope that the KHS that was very good to the victim in that interaction, is the KHS that watches over Kaitlyn. I hope that she gets some therapy to help her sort all of this out, or she will continue doing this kind of thing.

      • Jeanette Victoria

        I suspected right from the start that Kaitlyn was a predator who groomed her victim

        “An predator will identify and engage a victim and work to gain the target’s trust, break down defenses, and manipulate the victim until they get whatever it is they are after. Overt attention, verbal seduction (flattery / ego stroking), recruitment, physical isolation, charm, gift-giving, normalizing, gaslighting, secrecy, and threats are all hallmarks of grooming.”

    • The Bearded Bastard of Babylon

      This “strict community control” to which St Kate is subject on her release is unenforceable outside of Florida and she can transfer her probation to any other state that will accept supervision. Kate is thus highly incentivised here to just leave the state! I suspect more than a few other states would be more than happy to roll out the red carpet (with much more agreeable terms of probation) for Gay Inc’s new favourite martyr…

      The same people who gave St Kate a third plea deal inspite of all her violations of the terms of her original bail have deliberately engineered this to force her out of Florida and out of their hair! Now Indian River County’s problem becomes America’s problem…

      • MattRoss

        That is an awful thought. It’s like what schools used to do with teachers that would abuse kids. They would quietly let them go, and make sure that there was no record of why, so they would be hired elsewhere, and be out of their hair.

        • The Bearded Bastard of Babylon

          It’s called “passing the trash”. Regrettably it’s still also common practice in healthcare and law enforcement as well as education! But that’s not what I meant…

          My point is that, at least legally, St Kate has done nothing worse than pissing off Judge Pegg. Sure, she sexually assaulted a minor, lied about it, attempted to cover it up, and did it all again while out on bail, etc., etc., etc., but she will, in the end, walk away from it all essentially scot-free. Even her token incarceration has only added to her “cred” as the “real victim” here!

          Even these new revelations, I don’t think, have really tarnished her brand. She’s still a hero to many, and there is nothing that has happpened that she and her supporters cannot spin and attribute to “homophobia”… That, and that the age-of-consent laws (in Florida) are somehow “unjust” — they’ve already proclaimed this!

          What I think we are overlooking here is the negligence, or dare I say treachery of the prosecutors in this case who have shown this menace to society unprecedented, inexplicable, and inexcusable leniency one too many times! Who is pulling the strings here? I assert that this is more than the authorities in Indian River County just wishing this to all go away to avoid controversy!

          • MattRoss

            That is a great point. I know people have theorized that there is more here than meets the eye. First and foremost to me was the victim. We have demonstrated that she was heavily manipulated by Kaitlyn Hunt. I think the fear was that if it went to trial, they felt the victim would not testify to the truth but rather to “lie” as Kate Hunt instructed her. That, and the victim would face even more harassment at school.

  • http://deadrepublicanparty.wordpress.com/ rmnixondeceased

    Re-blogged at Dead Citizen’s Rights Society and added a new graphic (I’m attaching it below).

    • MattRoss

      Thanks Dead Dick!

      • http://deadrepublicanparty.wordpress.com/ rmnixondeceased

        My pleasure Matt.

  • james

    quick question. Where the hell did you get access to these

    • Jeanette Victoria

      It’s called Freedom of Information available to *anyone* who pays a fee

    • MattRoss

      Since it was acquired via FOIA, it is therefore public information.

  • james

    Why are you still attacking Kate, instead of using your power to help put away true pedophiles, that have committed crimes 100x worse then hers, and why did CS care if her sexuality was exposed?

    • MattRoss

      By attacking, do you mean pointing out their lies? Also, they do have a goal of changing AOC laws to facilitate adult-minor sex. That needs stopping. Actual facts are a great way to do that. Also, this site has extensive coverage of the efforts to normalize pedophilia. This is by far not the only topic covered here.

  • MattRoss

    I don’t call her a pedophile because by definition, it requires a five year age difference. Abuser? yes. Appears to have groomed her victim” Yes! Used threats and manipulation to control the victim? Yes!