#FreeKate Update: Victim Tried to Break Off Relationship, Kaitlyn Hunt ‘Wouldn’t Let Her,’ Described to Have ‘Problem With Lying’

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For the latest post in our series based on the information acquired via a FOIA request filed by Jeanette Runyon, we take a look into the nature of Kaitlyn Hunt’s relationship with her victim.  It seems that the victim tried to break off the relationship, but Kaitlyn wasn’t willing to do that.  I will be quoting two sources; Detective Shepherd’s report, and the text messages exchanged between Kelly Hunt Smith, and her daughter’s victim.  Please note that since the victim is a minor,  I will minimize the input from her part of the conversation to protect her from undo scrutiny, as well as from retaliation from the Hunts, or their supporters.

In essence, from two sources, we find that the victim tried to break off the relationship at some time prior to January 9, 2013, and Kaitlyn Hunt threatened to openly disclose that the victim was a lesbian.  Note that this come over one month before the arrest of Kaitlyn Hunt.  First, here is a screen capture from Detective Shepherd regarding a talk he had with the Captain of the Basketball team…

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As you can see, the victim (indicated by her initials, C.S.) was reported as trying to break off the relationship.

Kiandrea told me that C.S. told her she attempted at one point to break it off with Kaitlyn.  However, Kaitlyn would not let her. Kaitlyn threatened to tell people about her sexual orientation.

Now, here are a serious screencaptures of the January 9, 2013 conversation between Kelley Hunt Smith, and the victim of her daughter…

cs tried to leave

khs victim 10

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What do U mean? Uve tried to break it off with her, and she wouldn’t let u? Kelley Hunt Smith

She threatened to put all the stuff we had out.  So. Like I’m not with all that. The victim of Kaitlyn Hunt

In this interaction, Kelley Hunt Smith does provide the victim with more information about her daughter…

kate lies

kate lies 2

Sweetie I hate to tell u this, but Kate has some issues, especially with lying.

Kate knows I have my concerns with it. You are very young. I don’t know if your parents and an family knew about this or approved, which obviously they don’t. 

I think what we are starting to see is that a young and vulnerable teen was taken in by an adult that has, “some issues, especially with lying.”  When the younger teen tried to break off the relationship, the adult threatened to make known that the young girl was a lesbian.

And what else did Kelley Hunt Smith think of the relationship between Kaitlyn and the victim?

cant understand what love is

Ur both young and at your age can’t understand what love is.

Just to add to the argument, let’s review some of the information that was uncovered in the Notification of Violation of Pretrial Release…

“Keep the f*ck quiet.”

“if my mom finds out we’re talking, I’m blaming it on you.”

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“F*ck you…You’re stupid…you want me to go to jail…you’re such a messed up person…you snitched on me.

Kaitlyn Hunt, to her victim.

Does this not run completely counter the the assertion of #FreeKate supporters, like Rachael Carson Zerbe, who claimed that this was nothing more than a “loving relationship” between “peers?” Does “love” mean threatening to “out” someone if they leave a relationship?  Does it mean sending verbally abusive texts?  Or, was this an exploitative relationship, based on lies and threats?  I think the evidence, and the reaction Kelley Hunt Smith, would suggest that.

But there is more…

cant understand what love is2

 

Not to mention that your both very young to label yourselves sexually.  U may grow up to date guys, get married, and have kids. If u truly feel that you bi or a lesbian those are thoughts and feelings u should share with your parents.

Does this sound like a parent that was ready to go to war over this being “anti-gay bias?”   It seems that she believes that they are not set in their sexuality.

But was the victim a lesbian at all?

I don't like girls

 

 But, what I’ve tried to teach her is that lying always leads to something bad.  Kelley Hunt Smith

smh & this is.  I’m so sorry  I don’t like girls.  I guess I got wrapped up in Kate & what she would say.  Aha. Wow. yeah.  Victim of Kaitlyn Hunt

Once again, I think that we are seeing a very young girl who fell victim to manipulation at the hands of an adult.  She indicated in the above comment, as well as in another (unpublished one), that she isn’t a lesbian.   However, we see that Kaitlyn hunt was able to manipulate her into at least acting like one.

And, But, what I’ve tried to teach her is that lying always leads to something bad. could be an epitaph for this entire case.

For me, this interaction very strongly suggests that Kaitlyn Hunt was engaged in  a verbally abusive and manipulative relationship with a young teen.  The young teen was confused and easily manipulated by the older, more savvy adult, who in the words of her own mother, had problems with lying.

It also raises the question of what happened to the Kelley Hunt Smith, who in this entire interaction, was rather nurturing to the young victim?  Why did she go from being supportive and kind to this?

James and Laurie Smith wouldn’t give up. They were out to destroy my daughter, they feel like my daughter “made” their daughter gay. They are bigoted, religious [zealots] that see being gay as a sin and wrong, and they blame my daughter. Of course I see it 100% different. I don’t see or label these girls as gay. They are teenagers in high school experimenting with their sexuality, all teens do it in one form or another. They are teens, its healthy and normal. And even if their daughter is gay, who cares, she is still their daughter. (Emphasis added)

And why does Kelley Hunt Smith talk about the victim being “gay” when the victim herself told her that she was not?  Why did Kelley Hunt Smith go from indicating that they were too young to label themselves sexually, to stating that the young victim was gay?

The questions are starting to get a bit numerous, aren’t they?

In a sense, this post does leave us with  a number of unanswered questions.  However, it does show us that the relationship between Kaitlyn Hunt and her victim was abusive and controlling, and when the victim tried to leave, Kaitlyn Hunt threatened to “tell people” about her “sexual orientation.” And, if homosexual behavior is, in the words of Kelley Hunt Smith, “healthy and normal,” why did her daughter threaten her young victim with exposing that very “healthy and normal” behavior?  Why the inconsistency?  Or was it just a case of an adult using power and control to manipulate a young teen into staying in a relationship?  You can be the judge of that.

While we know more, I have a hunch that this is only the tip of the iceberg.  But, unless other legal developments come about, we will likely not know.  What we are left with is a traumatized victim and family, whose only desire was to protect their young daughter from an adult that wouldn’t let go.

For now, this is the last post regarding the information obtained in the FOIA request filed by Jeanette Runyon.   As always, should something newsworthy, such as more harassment, arrests, bullying, “pretend IRL stalking,” new evidence emerges, or legal developments occur, we will revisit the case.   In other words, this story is alive as the Hunts and their supporters make it.

Also, I will make the same offer that the website Support Honesty makes.  If there is any kind of actual documentation that proves anything in these last three posts incorrect, I will happily post it to correct the public record.  However, “documentation” means actual documentation, not, “because I said so.”

As always, we need to thank Jeanette Runyon, who has born the brunt of much abuse at the hands of #FreeKate supporters.  From openly plotting to get her banned from Twitter via false spam reports, to one even pretending to stalk her IRL, Jeanette came through under pressure.  Also, we need to thank Robert Stacy McCain, of The Other McCain, whose extensive Twitter readership, his blog, Viral Read, and an American Spectator post all supported the release of this information.  We also need to acknowledge the Smith family, that dug in and stayed the course for the sake of their daughter.  There are a host of other bloggers and individuals to thank and acknowledge, and I will do that in a future post.

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#FreeKate Update: Hunt Family Claims Anti-gay Bias, Police Investigation Finds None-Kelley Hunt Smith Engages in it?

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Alleged Sex Offender Kaitlyn Hunt in Court

From the earliest days of the #FreeKate story, the Hunt family had claimed that ant-gay bias was the reason for the arrest of their daughter.  Their claim was that the Smiths (the parents of Kaitlyn Hunt’s victim) had told school staff that they were upset that Kaitlyn Hunt had “made” their daughter gay, and that was unacceptable to them.   However, the police investigation was unable to find anyone who heard that.  Here are some excerpts from Detective Shepherd’s report…

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“…has never heard them make any anti-gay comments and has never heard them say that Kaitlyn (Hunt) turned their daughter gay,” seems to be the lowest common denominator.

Note that others were interviewed, but did not know the Smiths.

As you can see.  Detective Shepherd asked this question quite a few times, and no one stated that they heard the Smiths making such a comment.  So, the question is, did the Smiths ever make such comments?  And, if so, to  whom?  Or, is the claim of anti-gay bias just another invention of the Hunt family in order to take the attention off of Kaitlyn’s behavior?

It is also useful to review that the Vero Beach Chapter of PFLAG found no evidence of bias…

  The Other McCain has the details…

The local chapter of Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) refuses to support accused sex offender Kaitlyn Ashley Hunt:

PFLAG of Vero Beach has received questions and comments regarding the controvery involving the two young ladies in Sebastian.
We have been watching the developments in this case since it was brought to our attention. PFLAG of Vero Beach cannot enter into the controversy for the following reason. We have not been able to find where the charges brought against this unfortunate young lady are inspired by homophobia, or are in any way anti-LGBTQ. . . .
The cry of discrimination, unless more facts come out, does not seem to apply here. Some very simple research yields cases where heterosexual kids have been arrested and prosecuted under the same law.

But, who HAS demonstrated anti-gay bias?  The FOIA information obtained by Jeanette Runyon features a text conversation between Kaitlyn Hunt’s victim, and Kelley Hunt Smith, dated January 9, 2013.  Here is a comment from Kelly Hunt Smith to her daughter’s victim…

kelley doesnt agree with gaykelley doesnt agree with gay2kelley doesnt agree with gay3

 

“I am a Christian and have faith in god, so for me, I don’t think it’s right, or what god intended.”

That comment would get any Christian branded as a “hater,” would it not?

Kelley Hunt Smith doesn’t believe that being gay is “right,” or isn’t “what god intended.”  Is that anti-gay?  She said she wanted Kaitlyn to see a counselor about it…because of issues with her father?

I told her that I didn’t feel like she was gay, and I felt like she needed to go talk to a counselor about her issues with her dad.

Was she suggesting that this “made” her daughter gay?

Kelley Hunt Smith stated that the victim was too young, and the relationship wasn’t healthy?   If she believed that, why didn’t she do more to stop a relationship she admitted was problematic?

So, this is what Kelly Hunt Smith tells the victim-that she believes in God, and that she doesn’t believe that homosexuality “is right.”  But in May, she was saying something rather different about the situation…

They were both students in the same high school, it was a mutual consenting relationship on both parts.

This was unusual for Kate, she has always dated boys, but being the kind of mother I am, I didn’t want to make it a big deal. I talked to her about it, and figured it was just a social thing, times have changed and a lot of kids are experimenting, so I didn’t make much of it.

James and Laurie Smith wouldn’t give up. They were out to destroy my daughter, they feel like my daughter “made” their daughter gay. They are bigoted, religious [zealots] that see being gay as a sin and wrong, and they blame my daughter. Of course I see it 100% different. I don’t see or label these girls as gay. They are teenagers in high school experimenting with their sexuality, all teens do it in one form or another. They are teens, its healthy and normal. And even if their daughter is gay, who cares, she is still their daughter.

Unfortunately by the letter of the law, this girl has NO voice. Her parents can play the “victims” and ruin my daughters life. We have written letters through our attorneys trying to appeal to these people as parents, talk through it and come to some agreement or understanding but James and Laurie Smith refuse. These people’s delusional stand, their hate and bigotry is tearing our daughter apart.

Note the VERY different tone between January and May?  Kelley Hunt Smith contradicts what she said to the victim, and them attacks the Smiths, for having the same beliefs that she stated having in January?

Once again, we see some glaring differences between what Kelley Hunt Smith says, and what Kelley Hunt Smith says.  The question is, when was she lying, or was she lying at both times?

Tomorrow, we will take a look into the relationship between Kaitlyn Hunt and her victim, and have some more revealing comments from her mother.

Once again, we need to extend our thanks to Jeanette Runyon, who braved being banned by on Twitter by a handful of #FreeKate supporters, who have even pretended to stalk her in real life.  And while her attackers knowingly spread lies about her, she was busy obtaining the factual information that you have seen in the posts over the last two days.

 NOTE:  As the police investigation noted, two coaches indicated that Kaitlyn Hunt was NOT on the basketball team, and had not made the team.  She was permitted to work out with the team, but was told to stop due to “drama.”

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#FreeKate Update: Hunt Family and Supporters Escalate Threats Against Truth Tellers

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Have I mentioned that I’d really like to give the #FreeKate stuff a break?  However, they keep doing and saying things that I need to document here.  Why, might you ask?  I love making connections between stories, and the tactics used  by the subjects of those stories.  #FreeKate is an incredible opportunity to take a look at these tactics, and display them to the world.  When people know and can identify the tactics, they can be countered. So, here is the latest.

A couple weeks ago, my pastor and I were discussing a recent sermon.  The gist was that people have “default” behaviors to which they are accustomed to using.  And, once one is saved, and dedicated their life to Christ, they have to take care and make sure they don’t slide back into potentially destructive “default” behaviors, because that’s what they always have done.  That closely matches my observation that people always do what they are used to doing, especially when under stress.  This is why drinkers drink, druggies drug, and bullies bully, among others.  People will find security in what they know, even if it has negative long term results, or if it actually doesn’t work at all.  It’s human nature.  Conversely, and thankfully. most people find more constructive ways to solve their problems, like working, being honest, having dignity, and working towards solutions.  I once read that most millionaires had been millionaires before, had lost it all, and built it back up again.  Obviously, these folks have very constructive “default behaviors.”

Now, imagine you are one of the Hunts, or a supporter of #FreeKate.  Most of the locals are afraid of you, so they don’t get any ideas about speaking out.  The Smiths were threatened repeatedly, and have stayed mostly silent.    The #FreeKate crowd dug up “dirt” on Laure Smith, and Detective Shepherd.  Rachael Carson Zerbe publicly posted the information regarding Detective Shepherd on Twitter. They lied on the Change.org petition.  The MSM, at least at first, bought their lies that this was a case of “bias.”  Kelley Hunt Smith instructed the victim to “delete everything.”  Kaitlyn Hunt instructed the victim to lie for her.  And after that, they began a large fundraising campaign.  Their tactics, at least to them, seemed to be working quite well.

In decades past, this would have worked.  Without social media, the MSM would have only heard the Hunts, and the rest of the world would have only heard the MSM.  There would be no defense against the Hunts, nor would there be refuge for anyone that spoke out.   It would have likely stayed local, or at least, the commentary would have.  In all probability, this would have gone a lot better for them, and maybe the could have pressured the victims family, or the court, to drop the case altogether.  They would have controlled the narrative.

But, this is the 21st century, and I think the epitaph of this story is going to be…

We would have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for those meddling bloggers!

And not just bloggers, but people like Twitter-warrior Jeanette Runyon, who has had false police reports filed against her.  One was to the wrong jurisdiction, and the other had an incorrect phone number on it, but it’s OK, they were trying!  The Twitter presence of truth tellers is impressive, but also the person who runs Support Honesty.  Another character in the cast, is “Matt Doe.” Using social media anonymously, he has been a consistent thorn in #FreeKate’s side, reaching out to supporters with information, and causing dissent in their ranks.  Needless to say, the #FreeKate crowd is interested in finding the identities of both individuals.  After all, one cannot be harassed or threatened if one’s identity is hidden?

From the beginning, the Hunts made this a national news story-going on Today, MSNBC, and CNN, and in so doing, they brought it to the attention of people that not only actively resist bullying tactics, but point them out as a means to educate the public.  So, people like Robert Stacy McCain, myself, and others, have taken to this story to counter the lies told via #FreeKate, and give a voice to those that would speak out, but cannot due to fears for their personal or financial security.

This is where the “default behavior” kicks in.  As the Hunts and their supporters lost control of their narrative, and the truth was getting out, they began lashing out in every increasing scale.  #FreeKate supporters, with the approval of Steven Hunt, conspired to take down The Other McCain.  One supporter stated that she reported me to the police for quoting her.  And, as we have discussed  Jeanette Runyon has been falsely reported, by inept and incompetent #FreeKate supporters.  And, as we documented the other day, there have been death threats made, and threats to ruin people “professionally.”  However, none of that has prevented any of us from stating the facts of the case, or examining the actions of #FreeKate.

As we can see, when the “default” behavior does not work, an individual might “double down,” on that behavior.  A drinker may go on a binge, and a bully might escalate their tactics in the hope that their targets come into line, and do as the bully pleases.  Instead of putting the square peg in the square hole, the bully will try to pound it into the round hole.

That has continued today.  If you recall my post from the other day,  my source noted that false accusations will be made, outlandish ones if needed.  I suggested that this is a means to keep truth tellers on the defensive, by making them defend themselves, rather than discussing the facts of something.  Here are two wild accusations…

rcz jeanette threatened smithsRachael Carson Zerbe accusing Jeanette Runyon of making the televised death threat against he Smith family.

RCZ Call staged And, she states that the death threats against the Smith family were staged.

Of course, quoting Rachael’s public comments is considered to be “cyberstalking.” 

Then, besides some strange and outlandish claims, there are increasing threats…

sateve wants addressSteven Hunt trying to track down the address of a truth teller.

Please note that in the world of #FreeKate, tracking down a person’s personal address is NOT stalking.  One is only guilty of stalking if one quotes the public statements of a supporter or a member of the Hunt family.-Matt

tracking McCain

This screencapture was modified before I received it.  They are claiming to be “investigating,” and “tracking” Robert Stacy McCain.  Sadly, it seems they are tracking McCain’s son, who is at Fort Bragg. However, given the training he is receiving there, none of us fear for his safety.

But remember kids, it’s only stalking if one quotes a Hunt family member, or a supporter.  Actually tracking someone’s personal information is most definitely NOT stalking. -Matt

cease and desist

Apparently, it didn’t work. 

As the source of my recent post indicated, when all else fails, the bullies, (or rabbits as he noted) will try to enlist law enforcement in their efforts to silence of punish others.  And, when combined with making up outlandish claims, they aren’t afraid to lie about the details. And if necessary, they will completely invent the details.  That, and they’ll play the victim, accusing others of stalking them, while they are busily stalking others.

If you recall, Robert Stacy McCain summed this up nicely…

“How dare you describe my attempt to intimidate you into silence?”

So, the Hunts and their supporters are facing an interesting quandary.  If they continue to lie, file false police reports, or even continue making threats (of death and otherwise), they will eventually get arrested or sued for something.   But, on the other hand, since we know their tactics, we are continuing to speak the truth, and they cannot silence us.  It can’t be an easy position in which to find oneself.  Then again, had they not lied, made threats, hired a PR firm, went to the national media, falsely tried to make this a gay rights issue, acted so thuggishly towards detractors (or even supporters who questioned the narrative), openly advocated to legalize sex between adults and minors, or any of the other things that caused people to rightfully ask questions about their behavior and motivations, they wouldn’t be in this mess, and their daughter would be home with them right now.

The more they try to regain control of the narrative with the use of threats and nonsense, the more negative attention that they are receiving.  And, if they manage to silence one, or more of us, it will only cause others to cover the situation.  They could quickly find themselves in the situation in which there isn’t a handful of blogs covering this, but several hundred.  That has happened before, and there is no way for them to silence hundreds of us.   Frankly, I don’t see them being able to silence any of us.

Frankly, If I were them, I would just stop.  They have their plea deal.  Their daughter is coming home for Christmas.   If Kaitlyn follows the requirements of the plea deal, she’ll have her life back.  However, if they continue to use threats and intimidation to attack anyone who disagrees with them, the more people that will be notice.  And, the cycle will continue.

Note:  The Conservative Hideout and it’s contributors do not recommend direct contact with the Hunts, or any of their supporters.  I have not emailed, phoned, texted, or  doxed anyone, and I condemn any efforts to do so, from any party.  Let’s leave the threats and intimidation to the bad guys.  We have the truth on our side.  There is no need for bullying.

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#FreeKate Update: Steven Hunt Makes Death Threats, Kelley Hunt Smith Threatens to ‘Ruin” People

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I was going to let #FreeKate go today, and take some time for other tasks, but it seems that the Hunts and their supporters simply cannot stop engaging in threats.  First up, Robert Stacey McCain has the detains of how the Hunts continue to bully others, and make themselves out to be the victims.

Then, it seems that Steven Hunt, the father of Kaitlyn Hunt, likes to make death threats…

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Yeah, he’s going to win father of the year real soon.

Next up, Kelley Hunt Smith wants to “ruin” people…

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This is said to be threatening whoever was involved in “taking down” the original #FreeKate Facebook Page.

If these don’t show you what kind of people the Hunts are, I can’t help you.  No further analysis is needed.  They make it clear with their own words.

And, yes, this goes to why I made a public stand, and am cooperating with the IRC Sheriff’s office. People that are local to the situation are in fear for their personal safety at the hands of the Hunts.  Someone has to make a stand for what is right, and hopefully, encourage others to do the same.

This is with whom we are dealing.  And, they want to make it legal for adults to have sex with minors.

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Breaking #FreeKate News: Kaitlyn Hunt Offered New Plea Deal, Kelley Hunt Smith Reportedly Sued by Parents of Victim, Another Death Threat Against Victim’s Family

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Wow, it’s been a busy day on the #FreeKate front.  Here is the latest.

Kaitlyn hunt was offered another plea deal today.  Here are details from CBS 12…

Hunt has been given another plea deal, her third offer since her arrest. Prosecutors believe she will accept the deal this time, since it will ultimately get her out of jail.
 
Assistant State Attorney Brian Workman offered this plea today:   (excerpt)
The Defendant will enter a plea of no contest to:
 
COUNT 1. BATTERY, F.S. 784.03(1)(B) (LESSER-INCLUDED OFFENSE)
COUNT 2. BATTERY, F.S. 784.03(1)(B) (LESSER-INCLUDED OFFENSE)
COUNT 4. INTERFERENCE WITH CHILD CUSTODY, F.S. 787.03 (DIRECT-FILE)
COUNT 5. INTERFERENCE WITH CHILD CUSTODY, F.S. 787.03 (DIRECT-FILE)
COUNT 6. CONTRIBUTING TO THE DEPENDENCY OF A CHILD, F.S. 827.04(1) (DIRECT-FILE)
 
As to counts 4 and 5 the judge will withhold adjudication and sentence the defendant to a total of three years of felony supervision.  The first 3 months of supervision will be probation followed by 2 years of community control with the remainder on probation.  The following are special conditions:
 
a.                   The defendant shall remain in the county jail until December 20, 2013.  On that date, she will be released and probation will convert to community control.
b.                   The defendant shall have no contact directly or indirectly, including electronically or through third parties, with victim.
 
The plea has strict guidelines Kate must follow to apply later to have her record expunged and avoid further prosecution.


 
But Kate’s family said the Smiths only turned Kate in because she’s gay. That accusation, one the Smiths deny to this day, sparked a worldwide media frenzy.
 
But law enforcement said not so fast–Kate was warned to stay away, and knew what she was doing was wrong.
 
“In her Facebook posts she acknowledges she could get in trouble for this,” said Indian River County Sheriff Deryl Loar. “I think you must look at all the facts involved.”
 
From the beginning, the Smith family said this case was about protecting their daughter from an older, sexually aggressive teen. They were talking about their then 14-year-old daughter’s girlfriend, Kate Hunt, then 18.

“She was warned to stop,” said Laurie Smith, the victim’s mother in a CBS 12 exclusive. “I love my daughter. I’m willing to do whatever to protect her.”

But in August, Kate broke a judge’s order to leave the younger teen alone, and was sent to jail.  The case started to fall apart, as it came to light, Kate defied a judge’s order close to 20,000 times to have no contact with the underage teen on an iPod she had given the underage girl.
 
Today, the Smith family, in a phone call, acknowledged the plea deal is what they want. They told CBS 12 they never wanted to see Kate put in jail. They did want her to face some type of punishment for what they call abuse of their daughter.

Kate has been in jail for 6 weeks now, and prosecutors tell us she will take the deal.

December 20 is her release date from the Indian River County Jail. Once she’s released, she will wear a GPS ankle monitor for 2 of her 3 years of probation.
 
But the deal gives Kate a gift, she will not face prison time, and will not face a jury. She will not be charged with a felony, according to the plea.
 
The state will allow Kate:
1. No felony conviction unless the defendant violates probation.
2. No sex offender registration.
3. To petition the court to seal or expunge this case from her record once she serves her sentence.
 
And the State’s most generous move in the deal?  Remember that once secret iPod with the nude and lewd pictures used by Kate Hunt to have illegal contact with the younger teen since her arrest?
 
“On the iPod I observed videos and pictrues of Kaitlyn Hunt,” testified Detctive Jeremy Shephard. “I observed nude photographs of Kaitlyn Hunt.”
 
Count 3: For all those texts and messages this detective catalouged on the iPod the two teens shared, will be nolle prosequi, not prosecuted for now. The state can come back and refile charges on Kate if she violates any terms of her probation.

The full plea offer can be seen at Support Honesty. 

There is no indication at the time of this writing as to whether or not the Kaitlyn Hunt has, or will accept, this plea offer.

In another development, Kelley Hunt Smith is claiming that the Smith family, the parents of the victim, have filed suit against her.  Here is a screencap from the #KatesFight page…

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Again, as all of this is breaking, I have no comments from the Smiths or their lawyer, nor have there been any official announcements from the Hunt’s legal team. However, KHS did post this on their Facebook page…

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I will add that this is yet another situation in which Kelley Hunt Smith get’s to play the victim, while ruthlessly attacking anyone that disagrees with her narrative.

And, as for the third development, we have yet another death threat against the Smiths.  Yesterday, we covered that the Smiths were subject to at least one death threat.  Another was posted today in the #KatesFight Facebook page.  Here is the comment…

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Here is the comment, in context…

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If you recall, the Hunts, and their supporters, have been referring to the Smiths  in the most vile ways.  It could be said that they are encouraging hatred towards them.  The death threats against them are a natural consequence of that vilification.  Sadly, since the #FreeKate Movement has attracted such bad people, we are sadly going to have to expect more death threats. 

The threat above was reported to the local police.

I’ll post more as it comes.

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Bullying and #FreeKate: Playing the Victim

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Over the last few weeks, I’ve been writing about tactics used to silence dissent, punish accusers, and generally terrorize people.  The goals of those tactics, of course, is to obtain  the silence of their opponents.  And why silence others?  In the case of #FreeKate, as in certain political ideologies, the harassment is meant to prevent the spread of factual information.  There have been so many lies emanating from the #FreeKate front, that they have to attack anyone who exposes the truth of the case.  This has taken the form of “digging up dirt” on the mother of the victim, the investigating officer, and other citizens that have discussed truthful information on the case.  Trolls appear on Twitter to insult and distract from the truth.  Rather than discussing the truth, they resort to personal attacks.  The goal is to move the discussion from facts, to the persons discussing the facts.  By putting the truth teller on the defensive, they seek to disarm their opponents, and eventually silence them.

In other words, this is bullying.  To illustrate, here is some information on bullying…

The serial bully is often able to bewitch an emotionally needy colleague into supporting them; this person then becomes the bully’s spokesperson and advocate. How people can be so easily and repeatedly taken in by the bully’s glib charm, Jekyll and Hyde nature, and constant lying is a mystery. Psychopaths are especially adept at conning people in this manner.

  • Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD) The serial bully exhibits behaviours similar to or congruent with the diagnostic criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder. Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD)

  • The serial bully exhibits behaviours similar to or congruent with the diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

  • Paranoid Personality Disorder (PPD)

  • The serial bully exhibits behaviours similar to or congruent with the diagnostic criteria for Paranoid Personality Disorder.

  • Borderline Personality Disorder. Some visitors to Bully OnLine have suggested that the bullies in their lives exhibit characteristics of Borderline Personality Disorder.

  • Passive Aggressive Personality Disorder

Bullies are often suffering from personality disorders, which are..

Personality disorders are a group of mental health conditions in which a person has a long-term pattern of behaviors, emotions, and thoughts that is very different from his or her culture’s expectations.

Here is a partial  list of likely targets for a bully…

Targets of bullying usually have these qualities:

  • popularity (this stimulates jealousy in the less-than-popular bully)

  • competence (this stimulates envy in the less-than-competent bully)

  • intelligence and intellect

  • honesty and integrity (which bullies despise)

  • you’re trustworthy, trusting, conscientious, loyal and dependable

  • a well-developed integrity which you’re unwilling to compromise

  • you’re always willing to go that extra mile and expect others to do the same

  • successful, tenacious, determined, courageous, having fortitude

So then, let’s take a look at some information emanating from #FreeKate, and see how this measures up…

Twitter _ Search - #freekate rcz trashes jeanette
Rachael Carson Zerbe attempting to expose a #FreeKate opponent.
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Facebook Group Devoted to insulting the victim’s parents, liked by Kelley Hunt Smith

Hunt get real

Threats from the stepmother of the alleged perpetratorKaitlyn_Hunt_Bully_Dyke

Alleged former bullying victim of Kaitlyn HuntAmerican Power_Homosexual Rights Activist Calls for Final Solution to the Christian Problem_20130622-140529

Tolerance and diversityScreenshot from 2013-06-03 00:46:55

Tolerance and diversity on display…freeKate targets victims parents

Hunt Supporters tracking down the work and business information of the victims parents.  Screenshot from 2013-05-31 19:11:34Rachael Carson Zerbe threatens to turn truth tellers over to lawyers.  Truth =Libel

Rachael (MRC_43) on Twitter - 2013-09-30_14.49.37Rachael Carson Zerbe attempting to silence me as well.

And, finally, this, from Kelley Hunt Smith, the mother of alleged sexual offender Kaitlyn Hunt…

James and Laurie Smith wouldn’t give up. They were out to destroy my daughter, they feel like my daughter “made” their daughter gay. They are bigoted, religious [zealots] that see being gay as a sin and wrong, and they blame my daughter. Of course I see it 100% different. I don’t see or label these girls as gay. They are teenagers in high school experimenting with their sexuality, all teens do it in one form or another. They are teens, its healthy and normal. And even if their daughter is gay, who cares, she is still their daughter.

Unfortunately by the letter of the law, this girl has NO voice. Her parents can play the “victims” and ruin my daughters life. We have written letters through our attorneys trying to appeal to these people as parents, talk through it and come to some agreement or understanding but James and Laurie Smith refuse. These people’s delusional stand, their hate and bigotry is tearing our daughter apart.

OK, as you can see, the #FreeKate crowd, from the family to the supporters, have engaged in bully tactics.  Threatening to turn people over to lawyers for telling the truth, the use of insults, tracking down their personal information, bushiness, and employers, and such, are all bully behaviors.  But, they have switched gears.  They are still bullies, but are now playing the victim role.  Here are some more excerpts to explain…

The serial bully is an adult on the outside but a child on the inside; he or she is like a child who has never grown up. One suspects that the bully is emotionally retarded and has a level of emotional development equivalent to a five-year-old, or less.

The bully wants to enjoy the benefits of living in the adult world, but is unable and unwilling to accept the responsibilities that go with enjoying the benefits of the adult world. In short, the bully has never learnt to accept responsibility for their behaviour.

Bullies avoid accepting of responsibility using denial, counterattack and feigning victimhood

When called to account for the way they have chosen to behave, the bully instinctively exhibits this recognisable behavioural response:

a) Denial: the bully denies everything. Variations include Trivialization (“This is so trivial it’s not worth talking about…”) and the Fresh Start tactic (“I don’t know why you’re so intent on dwelling on the past” and “Look, what’s past is past, I’ll overlook your behaviour and we’ll start afresh”) – this is an abdication of responsibility by the bully and an attempt to divert and distract attention by using false conciliation.

Imagine if this line of defence were available to all criminals (“Look I know I’ve just murdered 12 people but that’s all in the past, we can’t change the past, let’s put it behind us, concentrate on the future so we can all get on with our lives” – this would do wonders for prison overcrowding).

When the Hunt’s supporters take to social media to say that the behavior of Kaitlyn hunt is ‘common,” or that the case was brought due to the Christianity of the victim’s parents, you see how this goes.

b) Retaliation: the bully counterattacks. The bully quickly and seamlessly follows the denial with an aggressive counter-attack of counter-criticism or counter-allegation, often based on distortion or fabrication. Lying, deception, duplicity, hypocrisy and blame are the hallmarks of this stage.

The purpose is to avoid answering the question and thus avoid accepting responsibility for their behaviour. Often the target is tempted – or coerced – into giving another long explanation to prove the bully’s allegation false; by the time the explanation is complete, everybody has forgotten the original question.

Both a) and b) are delivered with aggression in the guise of assertiveness; in fact there is no assertiveness (which is about recognizing and respecting the rights of oneself and others) at all. Note that explanation – of the original question – is conspicuous by its absence.

I think we saw plenty of that above.   No one in #FreeKate is willing to take responsibility, or place it where it belongs.  Instead, they attack everyone else-especially those that state the actual facts of the case.  And, when you look at some of the Twitter debates on the #FreeKate hash tag, you’ll make the connection with what the supporters there do.

Here is the most interesting section…

c) Feigning victimhood: in the unlikely event of denial and counter-attack being insufficient, the bully feigns victimhood or feigns persecution by manipulating people through their emotions, especially guilt. This commonly takes the form of bursting into tears, which most people cannot handle.

Variations include indulgent self-pity, feigning indignation, pretending to be “devastated”, claiming they’re the one being bullied or harassed, claiming to be “deeply offended”, melodrama, martyrdom (“If it wasn’t for me…”) and a poor-me drama (“You don’t know how hard it is for me … blah blah blah …” and “I’m the one who always has to…”, “You think you’re having a hard time …”, “I’m the one being bullied…”).

Other tactics include manipulating people’s perceptions to portray themselves as the injured party and the target as the villain of the piece. Or presenting as a false victim. Sometimes the bully will suddenly claim to be suffering “stress” and go off on long-term sick leave, although no-one can quite establish why. Alleged ill-health can also be a useful vehicle for gaining attention and sympathy.

Let’s take a look at more from #FreeKate…

It's everyone else!
It’s everyone else!
Kelley Hunt Smith complains of hate, then engages in it!
Kelley Hunt Smith complains of hate, then engages in it!

 

Quoting Rachael Carson Zerbe is wrong!
Quoting Rachael Carson Zerbe is an attack!
Rachael never said anything bad?
Rachael never said anything bad?
Apparently it is easy to compare not being able to have jailbait with gassing 6,000,000 Jews.
Apparently it is easy to compare not being able to have jailbait with gassing 6,000,000 Jews.
Kate is the victim, not the actual victim.
Kate is the victim, not the actual victim.
The victim did it!
The victim did it!
Thuis one is just funny.  Racael Caron Zerbe claims to be a victim, right after posting "dirt" on a detractor!
This one is just funny. Rachael Carson Zerbe claims to be a victim, right after posting “dirt” on a detractor-multiple times!

So then, what do you think? Do the people supporting #FreeKate match the definition of the bully, including, and especially, the playing of the victim role?  I’ll leave that to you.  I have dozens more screenshots that I could have used, but I tried to keep the post from being a small book.

I find it interesting that quoting these people is declared to be an attack.  For example, Rachael Carson Zerbe has posted information in a public forum (Twitter.)  It’s the equivalent of going in the middle of the street, and speaking loudly.  Anyone on the planet can see these posts, but when you quote her, she will accuse you of “cyberstalking.”   I imagine that she will at least claim to report me to the police again, but then again, that too, is a bully tactic, used while playing the victim role!  This is is described above, but Robert Stacey McCain is dealing with a similar,  yet far more persistent and infinitely crazier person…

What the hell is this? Is it “defamation” to quote Bill Schmalfeldt? Or is it “defamation”  merely to describe Bill Schmalfeldt’s behavior? And notice, again: Bill is obsessively searching for his own name on Twitter and then jumping into other people’s conversations.

This is just the tip of this vile creep’s enormous iceberg of craziness, and Schmalfeldt’s attempts to blame other people for his problems will deceive no one who pays attention. As I’ve said before, “All that is necessary to discredit Bill Schmalfeldt is to quote Bill Schmalfeldt.”

I would strongly encourage you to read the whole post.  Let’s be honest, Bill Schmalfeldt makes Rachael Carson Zerbe look like Mother Theresa, but the tactics are the same.  He engages in lie after lie-attack after attack,  and if someone has the unmitigated nerve to quote him, he instantly takes the victim role.   Then, he uses that victim status as a justification to engage in even more attacks.  For him, it’s retaliation.  In reality, it is simply a twisted justification to continue his bullying tactics.  It is a cyclical and predicable behavior.

There is a danger in dealing with bullying, in that the victims will try to turn the tables on a bully, and give them, “a taste of their own medicine.”  I have to stress that this is never a solution.  I have not, nor will I, target a person in a way that jeopardizes their safety.  Even when I quoted Kelley Hunt Smith when she told the victim to “delete everything,” I redacted her the email address and phone number from the quote-even though it was included in the court documents.  I have never “doxed” another human being, or attempted to contact a person’s employer.  I have never called the subject of any of my posts, nor have I harassed or threatened them by any means.  I have never tried to ruin a person’s career, post pictures of their homes, or gave out names of his or her family members.  I know other people do that-I have documented when those tactics were used in other situations, and I condemn it categorically.

I debate or post, even if it’s a sarcastic rant, from the standpoint of the truth.  In the case of #FreeKate, we have the truth.   I go by the facts, as they are available.  I give opinions, and state them as such.  I will quote others that speak in open forums, and  if I believe myself to be correct, I will criticize and pick apart their comments, just as others have the right to do with anything I write.  There is a difference between the freedom of speech, and bullying or stalking, so I will go on the side of free speech.  When one uses the truth, it is unnecessary to use anything else.

I refuse to be bullied, and I will not engage in it myself.  The purpose of these posts on bullying are to point out how people use these tactics in order to silence others.  If the tactics can be identified, they can  be countered,  Both R.S McCain and myself have offered that the use of social media to expose bullying can reduce it’s effectiveness.  Sunlight is always the best disinfectant, and when we shine that on #FreeKate, their tactics lose their power.

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#FreeKate Update: More Inconsistencies, or Lies, From the Hunt Family

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Over the last few days, there have been some rather odd developments in the already strange case of Kaitlyn Hunt.  For those unfamiliar with the story Kaitlyn Hunt, she was a then 18 year old, who was arrested for having a sexual relationship with 14 year old.  At the bottom of this post are some links to catch you up.

As for the latest on the legal front, there was a continuance last week, and Kelley Hunt Smith, the mother of alleged sex offender Kaitlyn Hunt stated the following on the #KatesFight Facebook Page…

From supporthonesty.net

From supporthonesty.net

As you can see, the message from Kelley Hunt Smith did get her supporters rather upset.  But, as seems to be a pattern, her statement is completely untrue.  The owner of Support Honesty, the greatest collection of actual facts about the #FreeKate case and resulting movement, called the office of the lawyer of Kaitlyn Hunt, and was told something completely different.

We contacted Kaitlyn Hunt’s attorney’s office and asked them the reason for the continuance; we were told by Attny Grave’s office that it was due to depositions by the defense that are scheduled for October, contrary to Kelley’s claims.

I have been informed that the screencapped posts above have been scrubbed from the #KatesFight page since Support Honesty posted the results of their call to the Lawyers office.

The second rather strange development in the story concerns Kaitlyn Hunt’s father, Steven Hunt.  He is credited with authoring a Change.org petition, and also another post on xojane.com.  Here is more from Support Honesty…

– The petition created via change.org (Assistant State Attorney Brian Workman: Stop the prosecution of an 18 year old girl in a same-sex relationship) by Kaitlyn’s father, Steven Hunt Jr., was used as the centerpiece of Hunt’s efforts to enlist support via social media. It claimed “The two girls began dating while Kaitlyn was 17” – which is inconsistent with the family’s own statements elsewhere and is completely untrue.

The petition also stated the victim’s parents “waited until after Kaitlyn turned 18 and went to the police to have charges brought against her” which is a fabrication. This clearly is the basis for much of the confusion involving Kaitlyn’s age when the relationship began and the misconception involving manipulation by the younger girl’s parents, waiting to spring a trap upon Kaitlyn’s 18th birthday.

NOTE: The text of the petition has since been quietly altered (subsequent to collecting of hundreds of thousands of signatures based on the original Hunt narrative) to reflect a more honest version of events; however, the original text has been archived online (June 24, 2013) and remains accessible through search engines as it had been duplicated on supporters’ websites.

– A May 20 article written by Steven Hunt Jr. that appears at xojane.com claims “This relationship occurred when they were both minors, and my daughter’s girlfriend’s parents waited until she turned 18 to arrest her.” This is still patently untrue.

NOTE: Bizarrely, after 4 months elapsed since the xojane.com article was published, Steven Hunt has decided to begin publically denying he authored it (screenshot; Facebook thread removed shortly thereafter). No explanation has yet been given why the change.org petition, which was also authored by Steven, contained the same misinformation as the xojane article.

Here is the Facebook post…

from supporthonesty.net

And again, the post was scrubbed.

It is truly sad that the lawyers for this family have no told them to stop this type of activity.  The Hunt family has no credibility whatsoever.  They have had inconsistent stories, and flat out lies since day one.  If Steven Hunt did not write the petition or other article mentioned, who did?  And, if Mr. Hunt knew of these articles, and that they were untrue, why did he not complain to the respective sites that someone was using his name without his permission?  And, why was the post of him denying that he wrote the articles taken down?  Are they trying to hide something?

I’ll let you be the judge.  It reminds me of the saying, “liars, lie, and cheaters cheat.”

Here is an archive of posts…

More ‘Inner Workings’ of the #FreeKate Facebook Page: Control the Message and Punishing Dissent

#FreeKate #KatesFight Update: Law Enforcement Involvement and the Consequences of Standing up to Bullies

#FreeKate Update: “Jailbait Manifesto” Appears on Twitter

#FreeKate Update: Insider Information on Accusing the Accusers

#FreeKate Update: These are the Most Ironic People I’ve Ever Encountered!

A Tale of Two Stories: #FreeKate, Lies, and Blaming the Victim

Has MSNBC Turned on #FreeKate?

#FreeKate Update: Screenshots Show ‘Essential Cause’ is to Legalize Sex With Kids

A Tale of Two Stories: #FreeKate and the Case of Convicted Sex Offender Neal Erickson

#FreeKate Update: Kelley Hunt Smith Complains About Being a Parent, Anonymous Comment States She Never Taught “Right From Wrong”

#FreeKate Update: Former Classmate States Kaitlyn Hunt is a “Bully,” Referred to Other Student as ‘Fat Dyke”

#FreeKate Update: Steven Hunt, Supporters Want The Other McCain “Kicked off the Internet?”

#FreeKate Update: Announcement from Lawyer and Statements of Supporters Give Insight Into #FreeKate Mindset

#FreeKate Update: Live Stream for the Hearing of Alleged Sexual Offender Kaitlyn Hunt UPDATED: Bond Revoked, to be Held Without Bond Until Trial!

#FreeKate Update: Kaitlyn Hunt Taken Into Custody! UPDATE: Supporters Blame Victim!

#FreeKate Update: Most Recent Plea Deal Withdrawn by Prosecutors Due to Alleged Bond Violations by Kaitlyn Hunt UPDATED WITH LOCAL MEDIA COVERAGE

#FreeKate Update: Media Coverage, and Kaitlyn Hunt’s Mother Allegedly Contacted Victim to Told Her to Delete Evidence of Illegal Contact, Hearing Set for Tuesday August 20th

#FreeKate Update: Kaitlyn Hunt has Allegedly Violate Court Orders to Avoid Contact With Victim, Has Sent 20,000 Texts, Many of Them Sexually Explicit, Has Had Sexual Contact with Alleged Victim as Recently as Two Weeks Ago

#FreeKate Update: Trip to Gay Pride Parade in NY, Meltdown Among Supporters

#FreeKate Update: Support Crumbling, and Why Even Cover it?

Gay Rights and #FreeKate Supporter Calls for “Final Solution” Against Christians

#FreeKate Update: Stalker Supporters and Degenerate Justifications

Why the #FreeKate Story is Important: Legalizing Pedophilia?

#FreeKate Update: What is Consensual?

Great Moments in Civil Discourse: #FreeKate Supporter Suggests Christians be Burned at the Stake

#FreeKate Update: Picture of Kaitlyn Hunt in a Fight?

#FreeKate Update: The “Tolerant Left” at Work

#FreeKate Update: Gay Rights Crowd Starts Distancing Them From The Hunts?

#FreeKate Update: Could Someone Please Report this “Libelous Post?”

#FreeKate Update: Does Video Show Kaitlyn Hunt Being Less Than a “Model Citizen?”

#FreeKate Update: Family and Supporters Threaten Truth Tellers, Attempt Others From Using Pictures of Alleged Perpetrator

#FreeKate Update: Parents of Child Victim of “Accuse the Accusers,” Lies of Kaitlyn Hunt Supporters

#FreeKate Update: Refuses Plea Deal, Was Kaitlyn Hunt “grooming” her Victim?

Liberals Favor Sex With Children: #FreeKate Means Legalizing Pedophilia?

Edited due to massive copypasta error.

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#FreeKate Update: Bullied in Prison? Are the Hunts ‘Reaping What They Have Sown?’

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We’re a nation  that likes underdogs, and have a disdain for people that abuse the underdog.  Even though so many are bullies, we have a gut level aversion to them, and we like to see justice done.   Our pop culture reflects it even to this day.  For example, the mad scientist becomes  lunch for his awful creations.   The criminal get’s killed, and loses in the end.   The crooked cop gets double crossed by the bad guys he was helping.  The corrupt politician gets exposed and humiliated.

We love to see people get “theirs.” It’s karma.

I know I’m a Christian, so why invoke karma?  I like to refer to karma as “The Enforcement Arm of the Golden Rule.”  It’s the equivalent of the Biblical, “you reap what you sow.”  I do believe in that, and it often happens with ironic results.

Enter #FreeKate.  Last night Kelley Hunt Smith  posted this in the Free Kate Fuhrer Bunker…

Tuesday night, Kelley Hunt Smith posted on Facebook:

She’s been having some trouble with a few inmates bullying her, but she spoke to a supervisor and they assured her they would take care of it. It scares me so bad having her in jail, she is just a kid, she’s so afraid. Her spirit is so broken. We try to encourage her as best as we can. She is trying so hard to stay positive. She loves reading the letters we send and the ones you all send her as well, it really lifts her spirit, so thank you from the bottom of my heart. I’m praying so hard everyday that something positive happens and soon. We are still fighting and preparing for this trial. It’s so hard to understand how all this is really happening, it’s just so wrong. I have to stay strong and focus on Kate and our family. Thank you all for the love, prayers and support. #FREEKATE #NEVERGIVINGUP

R.S. McCain has a lot more posted over at his place, but my take is slightly different.

Remember how Kaitlyn Hunt was described by this claimed former classmate?

Take a look at it for yourself. 

Kaitlyn_Hunt_Bully_Dyke

And, who can forget this incident from the “model citizen?”

Or this?

I personally go to school and am in the same grade as Kaitlyn Hunt. I can tell you that the way the media is portraying her is far from reality. I have never even made contact with her before, but from personal experience I can say that she is not a good person and is not ‘innocent’. She is known as a whore throughout the school, constantly starts high school drama, gets in school suspensions, and is overall not well liked at all. No, I don’t have a grudge against her, I’ve never even made contact with her. It’s just that my whole school knows she’s not a good person and don’t think it’s fair the media is portraying this otherwise. Hopefully this video further proves she is not the girl everyone thinks she is.

And, who can forget how Kaitlyn’s mother, Kelley Hunt Smith treated the victim’s family?

James and Laurie Smith wouldn’t give up. They were out to destroy my daughter, they feel like my daughter “made” their daughter gay. They are bigoted, religious [zealots] that see being gay as a sin and wrong, and they blame my daughter. Of course I see it 100% different. I don’t see or label these girls as gay. They are teenagers in high school experimenting with their sexuality, all teens do it in one form or another. They are teens, its healthy and normal. And even if their daughter is gay, who cares, she is still their daughter.

Or,even how Kaitlyn spoke to her victim…

“F*ck you…You’re stupid…you want me to go to jail…you’re such a messed up person…you snitched on me.”

So then, if Kaitlyn Hunt is suffering some bullying in jail, isn’t she getting back what she has done to others?  Is she reaping what she sown?  Is this a case of, “what comes around goes around?”

In the end, karma is one real, cold-hearted, and relentless b*tch, as Kaitlyn Hunt is discovering.

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#FreeKate Update: “Jailbait Manifesto” Appears on Twitter: UPDATED

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I’m not certain who wrote it, but it was posted by “Rachael.”  I’m calling it, the “Jailbait Manifesto.” Rachael (MRC_43) on Twitter_20130908-142114

Now, this is both interesting, as well as disturbing.   However, since it was publicly posted, it’s grist for the mill, so to speak.  It was posted in segments, as you will see, and  I think I have the order correct.

 

 

Here, the author misses some rather important details…

They overlook that the relationship between the victim and her abuser began when the victim was 14.

She overlooks that from the texts revealed by the prosecution, there was a great deal of manipulation going on.

The Jailbait Manifesto’s author forgets these texts from the alleged sexual offender, Kaitlyn Hunt…

“Keep the f*ck quiet.”

“if my mom finds out we’re talking, I’m blaming it on you.”

“F*ck you…You’re stupid…you want me to go to jail…you’re such a messed up person…you snitched on me.”

And, who can remember this, from Kelley Hunt Smith, the alleged sexual offender’s mother?

“DELETE EVERYTHING..My Number is (redacted) my email is (redacted) PLEASE delete everything and make sure that NO ONE finds out you’ve spoken to Kate at all!”

As well all know, threats and manipulation are at the core of every “loving” relationship, right?

SJ Reidhead, a blogger who is also an abuse survivor, shared her insights in a very powerful post…

This is what Kate Hunt’s victim is looking forward to, for the next 30 or 40 years of her life.  She’s been separated from her parents, now probably doesn’t even trust them.  She won’t trust her old friends.  Friends at church will not be part of her life.

I know someone who dated a guy who was abusive.  His family thought they were above the law, so to speak.  His mother did everything she could to separate this person from her mother.  The damage has taken over thirty years to be repaired.  Their relationship has never been the same.  This is what the victim’s mother has to look forward to, if she is lucky.

Kate Hunt’s victim is at an extremely vulnerable age.  Being 14 and 15 is traumatizing enough, without being a young lesbian, and without being the victim of a psychopathic, narcissistic predator and her extremely vicious parents.  Dealing with life at her age is not easy.  You either hate or love yourself, both at the same time, almost bi-polar as normal.  You are up and you are down, all in the same minute.  When you sit, you hold a pillow in front of your body.  That’s normal.

The victim has been manipulated into thinking that Kate is probably the love of her life.  Her morals have been destroyed.  Her innocence is shattered.  Unless her parents take her far away from Florida, she’s never going to get a break.  The Hunts of this world are far too nasty and far too invasive.  If you  what Steve Hunt is doing to those who are writing about the story is bad, just wait until they continue to harass an innocent life and her family.

As you can see, the victim has been manipulated into thinking that she wants to be with Kate, even though alleged sexual offender,Kaitlyn Hunt, was reportedly in a relationship with another woman!

In this part of the manifesto, the author goes to great lengths to deceive the reader into thinking that this was a consensual relationship, when all along, it is well known that 14 year-olds cannot consent, and the fact that she was so completely manipulated is proof of why.

Here is the second post…

 

Here is the second post, from Rachael Carson Zerbe, of the “Jailbait Manifesto”

RCZ right to jailbait 2

Both girls were humiliated? How might that have happened?

Was it that the Hunts repeatedly named the victim and her family?

Was it the Hunts that went on the Today Show, MSNBC, CNN, and a host of others?

Was it the Hunts the created petitions?

Did the Hunts use Facebook pages in an effort, among others, to discredit/embarrass/extort(?) the victim’s mother and the Detective (and, ironically Rachael published the said “information” about that detective openly on Twitter!)?

Did the prosecutors have to release the Arrest Affidavit and the Notice of Violation to counter the extensive and persistent lies told by the family on social media, as well as the national media?

So then, who did the embarrassing?

I really loved the part about “Christian Conservative Bloggers,” that “spew the most vile hate filled vitriolic bullsh*t.” Ofcourse, I’m one of those, and you know what?  The author is right.  We have published “vile, hate filled, vitriolic bullsh*t.”  Here are some examples of  vile, hate filled, vitrtiolic, bullsh*t…

James and Laurie Smith wouldn’t give up. They were out to destroy my daughter, they feel like my daughter “made” their daughter gay. They are bigoted, religious [zealots] that see being gay as a sin and wrong, and they blame my daughter. Of course I see it 100% different. I don’t see or label these girls as gay. They are teenagers in high school experimenting with their sexuality, all teens do it in one form or another. They are teens, its healthy and normal. And even if their daughter is gay, who cares, she is still their daughter.

Unfortunately by the letter of the law, this girl has NO voice. Her parents can play the “victims” and ruin my daughters life. We have written letters through our attorneys trying to appeal to these people as parents, talk through it and come to some agreement or understanding but James and Laurie Smith refuse. These people’s delusional stand, their hate and bigotry is tearing our daughter apart.

See, See
See Rachael, what you posted is correct.  We have posted all the vile, hate filled, vitriolic BS posted by the Hunts and their supporters. We have pointed out that they have been lying since day one. And, as we know from the liberals, truth=hate!

And, as we all know, trying to keep an adult from molesting your minor child is the epitome of  a “witchhunt.”

After all, Kate had the legal right, as a lesbian, to sample that jailbait, didn’t she Rachael?  Forget that PFLAG wouldn’t support Kate, because even they said that simple research showed that heterosexuals are prosecuted for the same thing on a regular basis.

The Other McCain has the details…

The local chapter of Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) refuses to support accused sex offender Kaitlyn Ashley Hunt:

PFLAG of Vero Beach has received questions and comments regarding the controvery involving the two young ladies in Sebastian.
We have been watching the developments in this case since it was brought to our attention. PFLAG of Vero Beach cannot enter into the controversy for the following reason. We have not been able to find where the charges brought against this unfortunate young lady are inspired by homophobia, or are in any way anti-LGBTQ. . . .
The cry of discrimination, unless more facts come out, does not seem to apply here. Some very simple research yields cases where heterosexual kids have been arrested and prosecuted under the same law.

Moving right along…

 

Update:  Rachael Carson Zerbe was suspended from Twitter, but I had screencapped the “Jailbait Manifesto.”RCZ right to jailbait 3

Wow, this is just total nonsense. “Entrapment?” Didn’t Kaitlyn entrap herself by molesting the younger girl in a school restroom? Or, is the author just lamenting the fact that the victim didn’t lie for her abuser?  Then again, the victim didn’t lie for her abuser the second time, even after being instructed to lie, as well as destroy evidence.

Let’s tale a look at the final piece of text…

 

Update:  Rachael Carson Zerbe was suspended from Twitter, but I had screencapped the “Jailbait Manifesto.”RCZ right to jailbiat end

Wow, there is a Constitutional right for adults to have sex with minors? I’m not sure that I’ve ever read that in the Constitution before.

If this were an equal protection case, it would already be over, because, as PFLAG points out, heterosexual cases like this are prosecuted on a regular basis. Is the author suggesting that there is some “special right” for lesbians to molest minors?  The lesbians aren’t asking for it, so I wonder where this is coming from?

Heroines?  I can see it now.  Kaitlyn Hunt can be the “Harriet Tubman” of the jailbait.  Portraits will be painted of her, leading minors out of the dark, cold, night, and into her bed?

There is nothing heroic about molesting minors.  There is nothing virtuous about violating court orders, threatening a victim, or instructing the victim of a crime to destroy evidence.  There is nothing heroic or good about “digging up dirt” on a sexual abuse victim’s family, or a detective.  There is nothing praiseworthy about naming the family of the victim of a sex crime, and causing them to receive threats.  There is nothing noble about lying about a crime so much, that the prosecution has to release true information to correct the public record.  In fact, it is the opposite; it is cruel, manipulative, and completely evil.  A child was victimized, and the Hunts, along with their #FreeKate supporters keep lying and manipulating in order to make it all legal.

I have to admit that reading this “Jailbait Manifesto” was pretty disturbing.  My sarcasm was a reaction to the discomfort.  You see, I’d like to think of myself as a decent man, so seeing this blatant effort to legalize sex with minors is deeply disturbing.  I also know that leftists will work incrementally, so this is really the first slide on the slippery slope towards making sex with younger and younger children legal.  I know about Cultural Marxism.  I knew that this was coming.  It’s just the next step in the process.  It has been an openly stated objective for over 40 years.  But still, I get frankly upset when I see something so totally evil being promoted.  And, as long I have breath, and a keyboard, I’ll continue to point out the the pure evil, the hate, and the lies.

For now, I’m going to hit the “publish button,” and take a shower.

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#FreeKate Update: These are the Most Ironic People I’ve Ever Encountered!

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There are times that it’s best to know where to watch, and just let a story come to you.  I don’t know if that’s something that is taught to young journalists, as I’m not in that profession.  However, I have learned that as a blogger, sometimes it works quite well to let something unfold right in front of you, and then take to your keyboard to write of the gifts that came to you.  The #FreeKate sage has been just such a story.  For a blogger, #FreeKate has been the gift that keeps on giving.  With all the lies, threats, and utter nonsense coming out of the #FreeKate camp, combined with the complete lack of personal responsibility on the part of the family, there has not been a shortage of things to write about.

I’ve classified #FreeKate as a liberal movement.  Given that their main goal (for which Kaitlyn Hunt is the vehicle), is to make it legal for adults to have sex with kids, it perfectly matches  the stated, long term goals of the gay rights movement.  Given that status, we can expect them to act as other liberal movements, like labor unions, occupods, and the like.  So, we can then expect threats, intimidation, hypocrisy, and general illogical, reality deprived thinking to be in abundant supply.  After all, they are schooled in Alinsky, and even if they don’t know his name, they are using his methods.

So, when I saw these posts from Kaitlyn Hunt’s mother, Kelly Hunt Smith, I ended up laughing.  Apparently, she’s complaining about “hate.”

Hunt crazy hunt on hate

OK then, let’s go back to Kelly Hunt Smith’s infamous post from May of this year…

What I’m about to share with you is extremely private and difficult on myself and my family, but mostly my daughter Kaitlyn. However im at a point where I don’t know what else to do. Sharing personal family matters with anyone, let alone total strangers is extremely scary but my daughters life is at risk, so im willing to do whatever it takes, no matter how difficult. Anyone who knows me, even a little, knows what kind of person I am. Anyone who knows my daughter Kate, knows how wonderful she is. Kate is an 18 year old senior about to graduate from SRHS. She has an exemplary record at school and home. She has always been a wonderful student, respected and well liked. She has cheered on the varsity cheer team all throughout high school, shes sung in chorus and was voted most school spirited. She has never been in trouble, ever, she truly is the model student and child.

My heart dropped, I knew then that it had to have been her girlfriend’s parents, James and Laurie Smith.

These people never came to us as parents, never tried to speak to us, didn’t try to get the school involved to speak to us and tell us they had a problem with the girls dating, not one single word. Instead, they set out their vengeance and had my child arrested on FELONY charges. The nightmare continued. Kate was bailed out and sat in front of a Judge. He told her she could continue going to school, but was to have no contact with her girlfriend. I went to the school and spoke to them, let them know what was going on, I wanted to make sure there was no issues or problems. It is Kate’s senior year, she only had a few months until graduation and we wanted her to finish. The school was very supportive, they all know and loved Kate. They told us that the other girls parents had already come in and wanted Kate to be expelled, they told them no, they wouldn’t do that. James and Laurie Smith didn’t like that, so that petitioned the court and asked the judge to remove Kate from school, even though the Judge already ruled Kate could continue school. We sat in front of the Judge again, and the judge ruled yet again that Kate could continue going to school, he didn’t feel like Kate was any threat at all.

James and Laurie Smith wouldn’t give up. They were out to destroy my daughter, they feel like my daughter “made” their daughter gay. They are bigoted, religious [zealots] that see being gay as a sin and wrong, and they blame my daughter. Of course I see it 100% different. I don’t see or label these girls as gay. They are teenagers in high school experimenting with their sexuality, all teens do it in one form or another. They are teens, its healthy and normal. And even if their daughter is gay, who cares, she is still their daughter.

But, the fight continued. James and Laurie Smith fought dirty, we pushed back and tried everything we could. I went to the school board with not one but two orders from Indian River County Judges saying Kate could continue going to school, but the school board sided with James and Laurie Smith, and expelled my daughter. Kate was forced to go to the alternative school. The school board made one concession and allowed Kate to attend her senior events like grad bash, and senior fun day at the school and she will be able to walk at her graduation at the high school and actually graduate from SRHS. But her senior year was ruined . . .

. . .  she was taken away from her normal life, her friends and her school activities because of James and Laurie Smith. It was still blantenlty wrong, and discriminative. James and Laurie Smith have forced the State Attorneys office to go thru with felony charges and are trying to ruin my daughters life. This is insane. This should have never been a legal matter, it is a family matter.

They are trying to send an innocent young girl to prison because they are full of hate and bigotry.

Unfortunately by the letter of the law, this girl has NO voice. Her parents can play the “victims” and ruin my daughters life. We have written letters through our attorneys trying to appeal to these people as parents, talk through it and come to some agreement or understanding but James and Laurie Smith refuse. These people’s delusional stand, their hate and bigotry is tearing our daughter apart.

I need the communities help. I need people to stand and fight with me for my daughters life. Should the girls have made better choices, YES. I agree, but is this criminal, no. Does my daughter deserve to lose her life for 15 years, or 3 years, or to have no life, because of one choice she made in high school, absolutely not!! The state attorney, Brian Workman needs to use taxpayers money to prosecute REAL criminals, not a high school student who has never been in trouble a day in her young life, all because she had a mutual consenting relationship with someone who has bigoted parents.

Thanks to R.S. McCain for capturing that.  The bolded text is his, and you can see the full statement plus his commentary at the link.  For the purposes of this post, we won’t look at the lies, which are numerous.  We’ll look at the hate.  You see, Kelly Hunt Smith laments hate…

Unless she’s engaging in it herself.

You see, for Kelley Hunt Smith, pointing out the hypocrisy and lies of both her, and her #FreeKate minions is OMG HATE!!  However, when she engages in a tirade against the victim’s family, and disparaging them? Well, that’s perfectly OK.

Of course, since the alleged sexual offender, Kaitlyn Hunt is being portrayed as a victim of unjust laws that prevent adults from having sex with kids-not to mention the evil Christian parents of the victim, they have to use powerful imagery.  Take a look at this…

hunt holocaustOf course, any reasonable person equates denying adults the ability to have sex with kids with gassing 6,000,000 Jews.  You know, jailbait!

But interestingly enough, some #FreeKate supporters have proposed a “final solution” of their own…

Screenshot from 2013-06-03 00:46:55Or maybe this…

American Power_Homosexual Rights Activist Calls for Final Solution to the Christian Problem_20130622-140529Well, at least one has graced us evil Christians with a choice…

Screenshot from 2013-06-03 01:03:46

Awfully magnanimous of her, isn’t it?

Just remember, since this is targeting evil Christians that seek to prevent adults from having sex with kids, it’s not hate.

I could go on with this all day, but I’ll show one more hypocritical point before closing.

If you recall, most cases like the one involving Kaitlyn Hunt are settled by plea.  It’s usually done quickly and quietly, and never make it off the back page of the local newspaper.  So then, who made this a national story?  The Hunts did. They appeared on Today.  They went on MSNBC.  They were mentioned on multiple news services, sites, or stations all over the world. They are involved in a Facebook page (that someone else runs). They have started online petitions, and a Go Fund me page.  But now, since the media has caught on to their lies, they don’t seem to be craving the attention so much?

steve hunt mad at media

You see, the Hunts thought they controlled the narrative.  Once their lies were exposed, and the media started asking real questions, they aren’t so keen on the media.  Funny, isn’t it?

In the end, this is a liberal movement, and it can be studied as such.  Remember how Anthony Weiner was allegedly “hacked?”  Remember that there was massive efforts to cover up his perverse Twitter habits?   It was  someone else’s fault, and it was always in order to control the message.  Unfortunately for the Hunts, they are obviously not intelligent enough to pull that off successfully.  That, and they are terrible liars.  I’m quite confident that as this story keeps opening up, the evidence of both will become increasingly clear.

And might I add that bloggers “exposed”  Weiner, and are in the process of exposing the Hunts as well?

As always, stay tuned for more.

If you want to checkout the coverage of this story from the beginning, take a look at the following…

The Other McCain

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A Tale of Two Stories: #FreeKate, Lies, and Blaming the Victim

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Alleged Sex Offender Kaitlyn Hunt in Court

I’ve been discussing the #FreeKate effort in the context of liberalism.  From the anonymous “cool mom” claims regarding Kelley Hunt Smith, to the blaming of the victim and her family, to the frantic efforts to keep their lies from being exposed, #FreeKate is like a Petri dish with pure liberalism as it’s growth medium.  If you can stand the stench, you can take a peek and gain understanding.  Also, one cannot overlook the most important factor…

They want to make it legal for adults to have sex with kids.

I want to discuss two stories today; one, of course, is the reaction of the Hunt family after it was discovered that she violated the no contact order with the victim.  An “infiltrator” of sorts stated she took this screencap from the “private” Free Kate page run by the Hunts and their supporters…

Hunt Blame Victim

Obviously, that is yet another lie.  As we now know, and as the Hunts knew for some time, Kaitlyn had provided her alleged victim with a iPod, which she then used to contact the victim, exchanging over 20,000 text messages, with some of them containing nude photos of Kaitlyn Hunt.  To refresh, here, once again, is the relevant legal documents…

 

Kaitlyn Hunt Violation

So, it is lying to protect themselves, even when it is easily disproven.  It is also blaming the victim. But, as the document also shows, Kelley Hunt Smith KNEW about the contact against the release order, and contacted the victim, instructing her to delete “everything.” Note that the contact occurred on March 26, 2013. So, for MONTHS, Kelley Hunt Smith knew that the illegal contact was an issue, so the statement reportedly from the Hunts the day she went back to jail is a complete fabrication.

Yes, the lies are that bad.

The Hunts fit the liberal template because they deny that their adult daughter had any responsibility for her actions, and instead, it’s the victim’s fault.  That is a familiar refrain, as we will see in the second story.

Have ou ever read a news story, and something that is quoted makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand on end, like you’ve just encountered pure evil?   That happened to me in 2003, when I read this in my local paper…

A Uniontown man who reportedly admitted raping three foster children in
his care agreed to plead guilty to multiple sex-abuse related charges
Monday in Fayette County Court.

In exchange, Jeffrey Craggette, 39, of 33 E. Kerr Street will serve
five to 10 years in prison. After his arrest, he reportedly told police
the girls came on to him.

Craggette allegedly forced two girls, 12 and 14, who lived with him in
his role as a foster parent, to watch pornography on his computer and
havesex with him. He also allegedly assaulted a 12-year-old girl who
came to Craggette’s home on her birthday, April 20, 2002.

The allegations came to Uniontown Police after one of the girls told
someone who notified Fayette County Children and Youth Services.

Craggette, according to court records, was a foster parent through an
Allegheny County agency and had approximately 13 different children in
his care at different times.

Between the summer of 1999 and April 24, 2003, he allegedly abused the
two 12-year-olds and 14-year-old girl.

The abuse started with the 12-year-old who lived with him when the girl
was in third grade and continued until she was in fifth grade,
according to police. That abuse stopped when around Thanksgiving 2002,
when Craggette allegedly started abusing the 14-year-old.

The older girl told police Craggette started abusing her in February
2002, and forced her to have intercourse with him at least 10 times and
to perform oral sex at least 10 times.

When the second 12-year-old came to Craggette’s home on April 20, 2002,
he reportedly woke her up in the middle of the night and told her,
“You’re my new girlfriend,” before allegedly assaulting her.

She left the next morning, said police.

Craggette faces multiple counts of rape, involuntary deviate sexual
intercourse, aggravated indecent assault, statutory sexual assault and
corruption of minors.

When police arrested him, Craggette reportedly admitted to assaulting
the girls, and said, “I need help.”

He also claimed that, “You girls keep coming on to me and I’m not
strong enough. I need to get my life straight with God and society.”

Judge John F. Wagner Jr. will take Craggette’s plea later this week.

(emphasis added)

Note that this story no longer exists on the local newspaper’s website.  It was found on an online forum in it’s entirety. The link is to that forum.

I remembered that from nearly ten years ago, because I almost became physically ill when I read it the first time.  It is the personification of what sexual abusers are-evil.

Now, let’s compare…

…he reportedly told police the girls came on to him.

The victim contacted Kate, and she responded…

In both cases, the victims are blamed for the incidents.  Am I saying that both crimes are the same?  No, but both Jeffrey Craggette and the family of Kaitlyn Hunt engaged in the same defense.

It’s someone else’s fault.

The victim is to blame.

This is liberalism folks.  Evil is “good.”  Good is “evil.”  Victims of crimes are to blame for “entrapping” otherwise good people.  And, anyone who points out the truth are “haters.”  And, “haters” must be silenced!

Because, my friends, no one hates the truth more than a liar.

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#FreeKate Update: Kelley Hunt Smith Complains About Being a Parent, Anonymous Comment States She Never Taught “Right From Wrong”

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Kelly Hunt Smith has engaged in irony.  Well, she usually does, but this goes off the scale. Here is a comment left by Kelly Hunt Smith, the mother of Kaitlyn Hunt…

Now, take a look at this comment, left anonymously on the local CBS affiliate story on Kaitlyn Hunt…

Comment_Kelley_Hunt_Smith

Now, Kelly Hunt Smith is talking about…

Apparently, there’s no longer PARENTING…

If the claims of the anonymous commenter are authentic, then Kelley Hunt Smith waited approximately 18 to 19 YEARS to START parenting!   Come to think of it, since she encouraged the victim to destroy evidence, she probably still hasn’t started.

Are the Hunts really just trying to cover up the fact that they completely failed at parenting?   Does admitting that Kaitlyn did wrong mean that they are wrong?  Are they resorting to the behavior that they know, and are comfortable with, to cover up their failure-namely lying and bullying?

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