Back in my days on various Conservative forums, I was trying to warn others about liberals either being paid trolls, or engaging in false flag operations. That is the basis for the troll policy here at the CH 2.0. If you are not familiar, I basically do not allow trolls. I have no desire to waste time on someone that wants me to waste time on them. For more on my take regarding liberal trolls, take a look at this, or this.
The liberals have not stopped their trolling activities. If anything, they have likely stepped up their activities.
Here’s video proof that the crank caller to C-SPAN who said he was a “teabag protester” and a “Republican” was just a fake liberal troll trying to make Republicans look bad.
The Soros-linked Think Progress was all over this story during the voting by democrats to nationalize the nation’s health care this week.The fake Republican has called into C-SPAN several times to toy with Republicans… He even called in as a Democrat just to harass Bill Kristol on the Iraq War.
But, most of the time he just plays a fake rich racist white Republican:
HotAirPundit posted the clips– I consolidated into one video here:
Disgusting.
There really is no depth too low for the liberals to slander Republicans and push their leftist agenda.
For more on liberal trolls posing as Conservatives, kindly take a look at this from Reaganite Republican.
Of course, this is much like the supposed “hate speech” reported in the Vancouver Daily Sun as targeted upon Obama’s family… when it later turned-out it was a liberal journalist who posted it.
Those comments -which appeared in the Free Republic blog’s comments section back in early July- went “They make me sick …. The whole family… mammy, pappy, the free loadin’ mammy-in-law, the misguided chillin’, and especially ‘lil cuz… This is not the America I want representin’ my peeps,”… then really piled-it-on with “ghetto trash” and “I wonder when she’ll (Malia Obama) get her first abortion.”
That journalist later turned-out to be the same Chris Parry that has advocated on his own Daily Kos blog page any number of egregious offenses, among them: posting hate speech on sites like Free Republic and blaming it on conservatives!
Sadly, such devious efforts from the Left have been with us for some time, and in various forms. During the Clinton impeachment scandal, a then-new leftist group out of California called MoveOn.org employed a plan to get its members to dial into right-leaning talk radio shows such as Rush Limbaugh with scripted talking points falsely claiming that they were Republicans. They then feigned revulsion and said they “would never vote for the GOP again if the case against Bill Clinton was pursued.”
MoveOn.org is today in the vanguard of the web’s leftist-activists, and quite likely working in cahoots with David Plouffe‘s disingenuous propaganda efforts run right out of the DNC.
Luckily for us, these Alinskyite scum don’t seem smart enough to realize how easy it is to follow their tracks and unmask them these days. Much like Dear Leader’s own wanton dishonesty, their myopic obsession with destroying their political enemies -both real and imagined- has these slush-heads acting like there’s no YouTube or something.
Again, we see liberal trolls posing as Conservatives and posting inflammatory information. But this is nothing new. We can go back to Alinsky himself for lies and deceptions that he recommended.
Alinsky himself employed this method, quite deviously. Alinsky biographer, Sanford D. Horwitt provides an anecdote using precisely this same diabolical tactic to deceive the people. From Horwitt’s Let Them Call Me Rebel:
“…in the spring of 1972, at Tulane University…students asked Alinsky to help plan a protest of a scheduled speech by George H. W. Bush, then U.S. representative to the United Nations – a speech likely to include a defense of the Nixon administration’s Vietnam War policies. The students told Alinsky they were thinking about picketing or disrupting Bush’s address. That’s the wrong approach, he rejoined, not very creative – and besides causing a disruption might get them thrown out of school. He told them, instead, to go to hear the speech dressed as members of the Ku Klux Klan, and whenever Bush said something in defense of the Vietnam War, they should cheer and wave placards reading, ‘The KKK supports Bush.’ And that is what they did, with very successful, attention-getting results.”
I would also recommend looking out for people posing as Conservatives that advocate assassination, blowing things up, or other terrorist and blatantly criminal activities. No, I’m not talking about militias or people that discuss upholding the Constitution. If there is someone telling you that we have to kill the POTUS, or other government officials, they might be a lefty trying to goad us into playing right into the government’s hands. Don’t fall for it! I believe that the government does want to silence us, however, if they just start rounding people up, taking guns, or blatantly violating the Constitution (more than they are already), they will prompt a terrible reaction from the public. In that scenario, they will lose, and be permanently discredited. However, if they can goad someone from our side to commit an act, they can claim justification to do what they want. Failing that, they may just start their own “Reichstag Fire,” and exploit it themselves, but that’s another matter.
All of this points to what I have been saying for some time now; that the left doesn’t have facts, nor do they care about reality. They care about the acquisition of power, and if they have to lie, cheat, or deceive to achieve that power, so be it. If they have to intimidate voters, steal elections, lie, beat up protesters, bite off fingers, attempt to control the media, create or exploit crises, break every single campaign promise, or pose as Conservatives to get the job done-that’s what they will do. For them, the end justifies the means, and they obviously take that to an extreme.
Their entire structure is based on a set of elitist lies bent on manipulating the people into giving up their freedom to the government, and they are tantalizingly close to achieving it. Their puppet organizations, such as Move On, ACORN, SEIU, and a host of others, all are based on spreading lies, chaos, deception, intimidation, and (let’s call it what it is) evil. I would anticipate that their efforts will accelerate, both in frequency and intensity, especially since Conservatives, Independents and Libertarians are becoming more successful at resisting them. Their end goal is in their reach, and we’re in the way. Not only are we in the way, we are close to taking their power. They won’t let that go without a fight.
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Great post, Matt. Some of those points, I have never thought about before. One thing I have noticed about those liberals who comment on my blog. Most of them can not seem to disagree with me without spouting all kinds of hatred. (Mike of course, is the exception.) It’s amazing, some of the things I have been accused of.
So, just how far are the liberals willing to go to acquire and keep power in this country?
Indeed, Mike is a notable exception.
Have you noticed too that changing the subject is part of their MO? they can’t argue the point at hand, so they change it to something else. I believe that is one of Alinksy’s rules.
As for how far they are willing to go…I’m unsure, some will go to extremes. Most are used to the incremental creep to the nanny state.
Yeah, I have noticed that. They are quite adept at changing the subject when you stump them.
Wow. Troll’s have memory? I thought they were just mindless drones meant to be squashed like cockroaches.
Apparently they do, but it’s pre-programmed via Kool-Aid. Feel free to continue squashing them. You’re quite good at it.
You summed it up when you said they don’t have facts or care about reality, that is why they have to be so deceitful and resort to these kinds of tricks. But we are on to them and we will not let them get away with it. Of course, this will only make them more deceitful, there is no limit to how low they will go in order to keep their power.
They more shrill they get, the more they expose themselves for what they are. For example, it’s going to be increasingly difficult for them to hide the AGW hoax. Will they become increasingly ridiculous to hide the decline? Or will they have to change their predictions and claims yet again.
I believe we will see “crisis” incidents go up in the coming years and I believe they are staged. Socialists and global government proponents have an agenda and America is playing right into their hands. We need to beware how we react as a group (conservatives). We need leadership (not a dictator) and a plan. Prayerfully a peaceful plan.
My prayer is the same. Sadly, I think more and more people will have to feel the pain felt by Obama’s policies before they will wake up. It’s coming, the tax increases will see to that.
Great post Matt. I agree, I never, never engage with the trolls no matter how vicious or personal their attack maybe. A back and forth will gain me nothing and only encourages the troll to continue and come back for a second helping. Rebutting their points is futile and useless and only time consuming. I don’t know how organized some may be, I do feel that most are loners in need of attention—attention I will not give them.
It’s hard to do this. I’ve fallen into the trap before myself. I was once posting at a very good forum, and it was completely ruined by trolls. Some were openly libs, others were likely posing as libs. The ruin was complete, and nearly two years later, that forum is still as wasteland.
The troll activity will start picking up as the year progresses. I think their main reason for being is to make things as miserable as possible for conservative to have an open discussion.
Why else would they want to post on a conservative web site? I have never posted on a lib / Democrat website or forum. I don’t want to waste my time or want the headache trying to have a reasonable conversation.
I would submit that’s the difference between them and us. We are trying to promote something that we believe in. They promote hate, and try to stop us.
Matt, This is a super post. I use the same policy, and so much easier with my new echo comment thing. I can perm. block an IP addy of trolls (not that I get that many) But I still get notified they commented. And now days most people have site meter and stuff to track IP’s and locations, so these trolls and their handlers are really quite stupid. I agree with you, they are all just PLAIN EVIL and will do WHATEVER it takes to destroy us and America. I have a policy too, do not feed the trolls, if you block, ignore and don’t debate them, they wither and die….so to speak.
PS: Thanks for your Birthday wishes over my way, much appreciated.
Well said Bunni, and you’re quite welcome. I hope you had a great b-day.
Perhaps someone should create an on-line resource to ID the IP address and name of known “False Flag” trolls, such as the liberal journalist mentioned above. It could be used to block them, or at least make their task a bit more difficult.Make them flee the light, so to speak. It would require some investigative effort, of course.
It would be possible Dave in GA, It would take people with a bit more programming knowledge than myself, but it is doable. Stopforumspam is a site that tracks honeypot spam. It also integrates with some software to block spam posts. I use it with the forum here, and it seems to work quite well. What you propose would be similar in concept.
That being said, there are flaws to that sort of plan. For one, if I wanted to troll this place, I could do it, and appear to have a different IP and email each time.
From what I have seen, the best way to track them is to look at what they say. Often, liberal trolls, especially those that are trying to pose as conservatives, make quite a few mistakes in their presentation. Here’s one that I got for one of Ken’s posts. I never let it our of the Mod queue.
“Great Blog, Its good not to be alone. I am a 54 year old man with mobility issues. I was getting scared for my country. Then it happened. I joined The Heritage Foundation, ordered pocket copies of our Constitution. Then started speaking with anyone whom would talk to me.It took awhile to develop a line of communication.The conversation usually goealong the lines of Do You Vote?, No, well that means people like me make polocy desions for you!Then it goes, do you want a strong National Defence?Clean Water? Good Schools,m a competitive employment market? The general answer is of cource. Then I hand them a copy of The Constitution, ask them to read it and then do the right thing. The reactions are mind blowing. It seems that most people have never actually read The Decloration of Independance and The Constitition, Or its been decades since they have. That and I open carry a very large pistol.Both acts engauge. And that gives me great hope.
Zack”
First mistake: Trying to make us look stupid by not using the spellcheck.
Second: Clean water is not covered in the Constitution. While we all like that, the state and local levels are the places for that. Schools as well.
Third: I have no clue as to who would carry a pistol openly to start a conversation, unless it was at a gun show. Plus, anyone comments or posts here, if they would do such a thing, would name the gun by manufacturer and model. Conservatives tend to be proud of their firearms.
So, either this guy is whacko, or he is a troll.
In most cases, common sense will tell you if a troll is at work.